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post #1 of 10 (permalink) Old 09-22-2005, 07:19 PM Thread Starter
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Okay, so I'm not really impressed with my options on complete, tunable versatile ignition systems for Alfa's. Yes, there are some clever modified units but.....I'm not impressed enough to drop 800.00 for them ( without using the names of those who sell them). So, now for the good news followed with a question. I just sold a MGA (retired race car) with a Ford 2.3 liter. Man, it was OH MY GOD fast! As a part of the sale I wanted the MSD ignition system I had in it. This unit was/is great! All the items are a Ford 2.3 liter MSD distributer, MSD 7AL-2 ignition module with noise suppressor) also a Blaster 2 coil and PN 8980 timing computer.

Here the good stuff. The distributer drive shaft is the same diameter as a Alfas. So the only thing I needed to do is remove all the stuff off of the MSD distributer hub and have it milled a little to fit on the Alfa block. A piece of cake job for a machinist. And I have a race buddy that is one and he did it in 20 minutes. Now for the better stuff. Not only do I now have a better ignition system but the 7AL-2 comes with REV limiter chips ( anywhere from 5000-10500 RPM's) to same that motor on a mis-shift. better yet the optional timing computer is adjustable or you can have it manage the timing on its own. Now for the question. With this kind of set-up what spark plug do I use.
Application, race only GTAm replica----race fuel only.

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post #2 of 10 (permalink) Old 09-23-2005, 01:16 PM
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Not sure on the spark plug question but this is a very interesting alternative for a ignition system. What would it cost someone to upgrade to this if they bought all the same pieces?

Im going to make a link to this thread in the Engine Management forum

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The 7AL-2 is 400.00 this would be a race unit, the street unit is half of that price. The Ford 2.3L distributer is 210.00 The BlasterII coil is 30.00 and the adjustable (in car) timing computer is 127.00. Now again if this were a street car it's a lot cheeper because your not using a timing computer and a MSD STREET ignition module is 200.00. The biggest deal is endless tuneablity and the parts are at your better local parts house!

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post #4 of 10 (permalink) Old 09-24-2005, 08:55 AM Thread Starter
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IT'S ALIVE!, IT'S ALIVE! The MSD stuff worked! perfect start, perfect revs, perfect ideal, ..... the trifecta is in hand! I will now use my Magneti Merelli electronic set-up for a paper weight! Just kidding, I'll put in the sprint or in the wifes spider.

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Congratulations (from the guy selling fully programmable stand-alone engine management systems for 700 bucks...)

So, some quick questions please; sounds like you came to about 750 bucks (plus some machining) for the whole setup, correct? -This was "used" pricing, correct?

Another question (and not a baited one) - Does the system allow you to program fuel and spark or are these set curves or are you running carbs and "peaking" the timing via the Ford distributor? (Sorry, I am not clear on the back-ground and other specs of your car...)

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The distributer, coil and engine management are new ( via Jeg's or Summit). The MSD 7AL-2 ignition module is an EBAY item. They are on there all the time for good prices. I just checked and the buy it now price is about 350.00 For new ones. The neat thing about the module ( outside of it's power) is the programmable rev. limiter chips. As for fuel and spark control on the engine management unit, yes you can adjust it ( with in reason). MSD's web site gives lots of good info about that. MSD even has units that have computer connections so you plug your laptop into it and get feedback and make adjustments. when it's all said and done, doing the mod's on the distributor is well, well worth it. Reason I say that is because it opens unlimited potential to do more then what was available to us before.
Since I first posted this, I have removed everything in preperation to complete the car. So no long term testing has been done. I really doubt that any road blocks will appear when I do finish it. It started it, ran it warmed the engine and reved it, and all worked well.

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Very intersting indeed. This is something I had envisioned, but had not looked into any further. You seem to have done that. So question is...... How much do you charge for your buddy to mill my supplied Distrubtor? LOL. Actually, what exact PN# is the ford unit so I can source one. The rest is easily obtainable locally. If you could post pics of the dist. and detail the needed machine work I can probably have that done local also. Very cool indeed.

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Well MSD's web site has the part#, I think it's PN 8473, just be sure to look for a ford 2.3 liter unit. As for how it looks and what not go to
http://gtam.silvahalo.com

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Talking 2.3 dist. conversion

Thanks for the info. This sounds (finally) like the route I will take for the ignition. Looked at your site also. What brand wheels on the spider? Very nice. And I liked that quilt. Very cool. She could make a fortune with those.... Just an opinion. Thanks again!

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The wheels are enki's ???? Les Schwabb EL cheepo's wheels and tires were 600.00 bucks!

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1967 Giulia Super
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