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SOROKOS 05-31-2019 02:36 PM

Mig with Gas. See weld. Opinions.
 
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If you have any experience about welding.
See my weld, and tell me your opinion.
I believe, is there more speed than better result..? I don't know.
Tell me if you understand.
(my machine, Mig Telwin 180A, with gas).
Thank you.

PSk 05-31-2019 02:59 PM

More power and thus more penetration required IMO
Pete

Metalart 06-01-2019 11:04 AM

Way to cold, turn up the amps to when it sounds like bacon frying. In U.S. we use 75% Argon 25% CO2 gas with a 70S-6 wire. What kind of gas are you using.

SOROKOS 06-02-2019 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Metalart (Post 8420302)
Way to cold, turn up the amps to when it sounds like bacon frying. In U.S. we use 75% Argon 25% CO2 gas with a 70S-6 wire. What kind of gas are you using.

I think Gorgon..?! I am not sure... I will ask for ...

SOROKOS 06-02-2019 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by PSk (Post 8420002)
More power and thus more penetration required IMO
Pete

...more power. I 'll try.

PSk 06-02-2019 01:43 AM

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Turn it up until if you pull the trigger for ~1 second you blow a hole in the metal. Then either turn it down slightly, or learn to pull the trigger for less than a second.

In thin sheet metal you weld by tacking, not running beads. Eventually your tacks join and the joint is welded.

If you weld like 3mm plus thick you can keep the trigger pulled and push a long seam weld and it should look like this ...🙂
Pete

PSk 06-02-2019 02:02 AM

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The "inside" of a sheet or panel steel welded via the tack method. This has not been ground, but potentially hammer and dollied on.

You can see how each tack penetrated fully.
Pete

Steve105 06-02-2019 02:32 AM

Got the Sheet Metal Fabrication book by Ed Barr the other day, looks like either wire speed and voltage too low as per figure on page 53.
Yasou Steve

spydaman 06-02-2019 05:22 AM

Hi mate your wire speed is a little too fast and your amps are too low. Just play around till you find the sweet spot. PSK has given you good advice.
By the way the sweet spot is different for different metal thicknesses.
Regards John.

SOROKOS 06-04-2019 01:21 AM

First of all, THANK YOU, for your answers !! :smile2:
And YES. You have right!
I tried again, with more power, and just a bit lower wire speed.
Very-very Better !

(I weld for first time on the car. For that reason, I tried not to damage the sheet metal with holes.
I observed, that big problem, is 'Earthing'. Best connect with body, means best welding.
It depends from the earthing cable and the contact with body. And whole circuit, machine contact-cable-contact on body.
And if the body is under corosion, the resistance is too high, that means, topically you want more curent!
I think very important, perhaps the most important thing-problem, in this type of welding).

@and Metalart: the kind of gas is: 82% Argon and 18% CO2. and wire 0.6mm, (0.0236in).

PSk 06-04-2019 01:29 AM

Make sure you disconnect the car's battery before welding with an electric welder.
Pete

SOROKOS 06-04-2019 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by PSk (Post 8421226)
Make sure you disconnect the car's battery before welding with an electric welder.
Pete

Thank you for this info, Pete! But look this foto...
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1750GT 06-04-2019 09:26 AM

One other word of advice. After completing what you think is a full run of beads, shine a flashlight on the welds (from the opposite side) and look for pin holes.....you will most assuredly have a lot of them. You will need to go over those areas next. This is best done at night time with the lights turned off.

SOROKOS 06-04-2019 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by 1750GT (Post 8421344)
... shine a flashlight on the welds (from the opposite side) and look for pin holes..... This is best done at night time with the lights turned off.

1750GT, :thumbup1: YES. Very usefull notice ! Thanks !

PSk 06-04-2019 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SOROKOS (Post 8421264)
Thank you for this info, Pete! But look this foto...

:D, yeah battery is not an issue!

Hope you have a welding helmet for your dog :)
Pete


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