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Twin brake boosters were not a single year thing. All Series II 1750s and 2000s have them. I thought your car was a Series I, so should have a single booster but then we are talking about Alfa Romeo ... so single or double

Note also Series II 1750's came standard with a wooden steering wheel.
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Door Jam detail, showing the original paint colour. The second and third photos show this to be a "Flintstone" car. All of the floor panels need to be replaced. For some reason, the driver side is uniformly worse than the passenger side. Does anyone know if this is normal?

In looking at the forum and learning a lot, I've been inspecting the sills which, on my car, are toast at the A pillar. All three sills will be replaced in that area, and as needed elsewhere.

Here's my question.... I'm concerned about the integrity of the monocoque itself. I have a rotisserie, but with the state of the sills and floors, which one do I attack first, and should both the floors and sills be done before putting it on the rotisserie? It's the order of work that I wonder about. My guess is that the sills come first, then the floors, but can anyone tell me if this is the correct method?

I still have a boatload of work before getting to that decision point, but it's a worry.

More good news....the wife is happy that I'm spending so much time on the Alfa. She's been used to me being gone all day, and this suits both of us nicely.


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Thanks Pete,

I looked at that, and it was helpful. I just need to know the order of work on the sills versus the floor. And, at what point is there adequate rigidity to put the car on a rotisserie. Do you have an opinion?

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Pete,

So I must have a Series I, no? It's a standing pedal car, if that really means anything. I'm really trying to understand what the factory was thinking here. This is really becoming a detective story for me. In addition, I am finding that, as I remove parts which have obviously not been tinkered with since it was new, parts are missing (washers, etc.) that should be present. Is that normal?

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I would think you should pull the doors and weld in some cross-bracing inside to keep it all square before you do any lifting or cutting. Do the doors gaps fit well now?

<EDIT>....send these guys the VIN and they'll be able to cross reference the chassis.
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Yep, that is also what I'm thinking. I am thinking that the bracing should be done with the tires on the ground. Some here on the forum have mentioned the idea of measuring the centerline, square-ness of the chassis before doing anything. I'm thinking of this route, just to make sure that I have a good monocoque structure before continuing. I'd hate to do a lot of work, only to discover that the chassis is tweaked! I'm just very unsure of things right now, and am still very much learning about the car.


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Pete,

So I must have a Series I, no? It's a standing pedal car, if that really means anything. I'm really trying to understand what the factory was thinking here. This is really becoming a detective story for me. In addition, I am finding that, as I remove parts which have obviously not been tinkered with since it was new, parts are missing (washers, etc.) that should be present. Is that normal?

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Yes based on the year, front indicators and seats, your car is a Series I. Maybe the standing pedals models got the twin boosters earlier??

I echo Vivace re the bracing, especially if your chassis and door gaps measure well now. If well braced, you can cut all the sills/rockers/chassis rails/floor panels out and rebuild from the gearbox tunnel outwards. This is what I did, but you do need to do the occasional trial fit, i.e are you still happy with how the inner chassis rail fits before you weld in the floor panel; are you happy with how the door fits before you weld in the chassis rails and bottom of door pillars, etc.

Ideally you would use a chassis table. I sort of built one that attached to some of the suspension points, but just welding steel members across openings works well too.
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Pete, I understand.

The door gaps are OK, given the fact that the hinges are dodgy. I was going to rebuild the hinges, do a fitment, and then see where things are, before figuring out the bracing. I can't really do a chassis table. I have the space, but not the knowledge. I've seen this done, but as Clint Eastwood said, "A man has got to know his limitations."

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Here is the interior, such as it is.

I have heard of "Just Dashes" for dash pad restorations. They are expensive, but seem to do good work. The gauges will have to be restored as well.....

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Twin brake boosters were not a single year thing. All Series II 1750s and 2000s have them. I thought your car was a Series I, so should have a single booster but then we are talking about Alfa Romeo ... so single or double

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Hi Pete. Twin brake boosters were a single year for the LHD 1969 USA spec models because of the USA requirement for dual brake system on the floor pedal cars. RHD chassis got dual boosters when rest of world went dual brake. LHD got hanging pedals to deal with that event.

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Stephen, I am looking froward to seeing the progression of the restoration. You should be able to get more help than you need with your restoration, here on the AlfaBB.

I have a roundtail Spider and have scanned almost all of my factory publications. I've placed them all at the http://www.duettoinfo.com website for anyone to download. The parts manuals will be of great help to you. Please feel free to pop over and download whatever you need.

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Note also Series II 1750's came standard with a wooden steering wheel.
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Hi Pete. Twin brake boosters were a single year for the LHD 1969 USA spec models because of the USA requirement for dual brake system on the floor pedal cars. RHD chassis got dual boosters when rest of world went dual brake. LHD got hanging pedals to deal with that event.

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Oh. Just learnt something.

I always feel sad for you LH dudes with hanging pedals. So unexciting.
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Hi Pete. Twin brake boosters were a single year for the LHD 1969 USA spec models because of the USA requirement for dual brake system on the floor pedal cars. RHD chassis got dual boosters when rest of world went dual brake. LHD got hanging pedals to deal with that event.

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Ken and PSk,

My understanding of the 1969 USA spec GTV is as follows. Please correct any errors.

1. About 447 were imported, all through New Jersey,
2. Many of these were produced in 1970 and badged as 1969 models, but I have no idea of the number,
3. All were SPICA-equipped, to comply with 1968 US emissions requirements,
4. All had dual circuit braking systems (including Spyders),
5. All had the 'flying buttress' seats,
6. I have heard that over 700 units were actually imported, but some of these were slated for the Canadian market. I think that came from a poster on BAT.

Again, I want my understanding to be accurate, so I welcome any corrections!

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Ken and PSk,

My understanding of the 1969 USA spec GTV is as follows. Please correct any errors.

1. About 447 were imported, all through New Jersey,
2. Many of these were produced in 1970 and badged as 1969 models, but I have no idea of the number,
3. All were SPICA-equipped, to comply with 1968 US emissions requirements,
4. All had dual circuit braking systems (including Spyders),
5. All had the 'flying buttress' seats,
6. I have heard that over 700 units were actually imported, but some of these were slated for the Canadian market. I think that came from a poster on BAT.

Again, I want my understanding to be accurate, so I welcome any corrections!

Stephen.
Most of the Berlina/GTV/Spider cars were produced in 1968 and 1969. The SPICA system was designed to meet 1969 emissions. requirements. Yes, some also ended up in Canada. But, I know there are many 1969 "Euro" version cars there as well.

The cars that I have seen that were actually manufactured in 1970 have a plastic VIN plate on the driver's door jamb where the Federal Safety Standards decal is located on your car. The date of manufacture on the tag is 10/1969.

Based on the sticker on the door jamb of your car, I'm going to guess it was manufactured in early 1969. I can't really say what early means, but at some point, the cars started getting a plastic VIN tag like the one in the picture.
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