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post #1 of 97 (permalink) Old 07-22-2015, 11:30 AM Thread Starter
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1973 Alfa Romeo GTV - Restoration to Street Racer with GTAm Inspiration

The good:
-I own the car
-Suspension is new
-It has wheels
-It has fender flares GTAm Style
-It has brakes
-It has window winder hardware inside the doors still
-Rear differential is there and is LSD
-9/1 - Update, to I know what the car is going to be...a Street Race with GTAm Inspiration.

The Bad:
-No interior
-No glass
-No external hardware (bumpers, door handles etc.)
-No transmission
-No Engine
-No cooling
-Few trim moldings of any kind
-Most rust is surface rust

The Ugly:
-Rust has taken hold on front and rear sills and elsewhere
-I have no idea what parts I am missing
-Outer Rocker is gone Left
-Outer Rocker is gone right
-Door skin is gone left
-Dash is gone/shot
-Wiring harness is gone/shot (unsure if it's repairable)
-Rear collision (major panel damage some structural damage)
-Front collision (minor panel damage)
-rear window, front window, door all require metal repair (custom shapes)
-Rear shelf was hacked for speakers

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Tasks Done To date:
-Removed stainless sill plate on passenger side to review the extent of sill rust.
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Good luck man, you have a lot of work on your hands
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Well, this will certainly be a TOTAL restoration. Good luck, it'll be fun to watch.

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Well, this will certainly be a TOTAL restoration. Good luck, it'll be fun to watch.
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Work Continues

Work has started on removing the rocker panel (the outer sill/skin) and what's left of it. Notice it MAY be the only truly ruined piece of the sills. The outer rocker and the top sill (the piece you step-over when you enter the car) may be the only items required from Wolf Steel.

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Jacked up to work on sills by IsaaksofSalem, on Flickr

Jacked up to work on sills by IsaaksofSalem, on Flickr

Sill work being done with the spot-weld cutter/drill bit. The thing is awesome tool!

1973 Alfa Romeo GTV - Sills and undercarriage before any restoration by IsaaksofSalem, on Flickr

1973 Alfa Romeo GTV - Sills and undercarriage before any restoration by IsaaksofSalem, on Flickr

1973 Alfa Romeo GTV - Sills and undercarriage before any restoration by IsaaksofSalem, on Flickr

Some good Photo's of the sub-frame/beefier undercarraige

1973 Alfa Romeo GTV - Sills and undercarriage before any restoration by IsaaksofSalem, on Flickr

1973 Alfa Romeo GTV - Sills and undercarriage before any restoration by IsaaksofSalem, on Flickr

1973 Alfa Romeo GTV - Sills and undercarriage before any restoration by IsaaksofSalem, on Flickr

No Idea how so much pain splatter got on the underside of the car? It must have been up on it's 'side' at one point and was in an area that was being used for a art studio or something??

1973 Alfa Romeo GTV - Sills and undercarriage before any restoration by IsaaksofSalem, on Flickr

1973 Alfa Romeo GTV - Sills and undercarriage before any restoration by IsaaksofSalem, on Flickr

Any idea's as to if the car has an undercoating applied or not? I don't see the typical black-caked on under coating found in most photo's on the site? Maybe it's already been stripped?

My thoughts are to just get it on it's side with a modified DIY rotisserie, get the entire car dustless-blasted (underside and all) then paint the entire car with POR15 on the underside. Etch-primer on the rest.
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If you are determined to use Wolf you might consider buying just one and if you like the fit quality then dive in. Just about everyone I know of has decided to buy panels from other vendors after trying to work with wolf panels. Nice wheels!

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If you are determined to use Wolf you might consider buying just one and if you like the fit quality then dive in. Just about everyone I know of has decided to buy panels from other vendors after trying to work with wolf panels. Nice wheels!
Agree. I bought most panels from Classic Alfa and Alfaholics. They fit great. Bought 2 rear panels made by Wolfe and spend many hours wishing I would have spent a little more as I was trying to fit them.

Many have restored cars much worse. Keep up the work.

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My thoughts are to just get it on it's side with a modified DIY rotisserie, get the entire car dustless-blasted (underside and all) then paint the entire car with POR15 on the underside. Etch-primer on the rest.[/QUOTE]

You have quite a project there. This will be a marathon for you to find all the pieces parts and do all the restoration work. That said, it is a very rewarding process to see it completed.

I would recommend you not use POR15 on a dusted-blasted surface that has no rust. Instead, I would suggest an epoxy primer on the clear metal. Southern Polyurethane inc (SPI) sells a great product. I applied POR to my car, engine bay and interior only to have it fail. I ended up restripping the engine bay and interior, removed all of the rust and then applied several coats of epoxy primer. Check out the SPI website.
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POR applied per manufacturers procedures

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Several weeks later after power washing the POR application.
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POR fully removed for epoxy primer
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Epoxy primer applied.
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WOW! Excellent advice on the POR15 vs Metal Etch primer. This is extremely helpful and I'll be using the metal etch for sure after getting this information and pictures. What a PITA!

More updates to come later after I upload some photo's.
And agree, Marathon is the right word.
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WOW! Excellent advice on the POR15 vs Metal Etch primer. This is extremely helpful and I'll be using the metal etch for sure after getting this information and pictures. What a PITA!

More updates to come later after I upload some photo's.
And agree, Marathon is the right word.
If you're planning on doing the metal work yourself, think of this process as a double marathon.....if you're contracting out the metal work....it's a marathon. As for rotisserie....definitely ideal to have. I didn't have room in my garage for this and so built a chassis tilter instead out of rectangular section steel that i salvaged from discarded exercise equipment. FWIW

Wish you well on the project.


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Something like this then?

The metal work will be me as well, all about the journey, not the destination for me.
I am still cutting out rusted area's so that it's ready for the dustless blasting. No need to blast away surface problems only to find more problems within the sills etc.

I like the chassis rocker's, but my rear bumper mounts are toast, so I am still thinking through how I may do mine.
Is this what your's is like?

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The passenger side outer rocker panel (outer sill sometimes called) has been mostly removed.
I have never taken panels off before by drilling out spot welds, so this took me about 4 hours total work, I think the rest of the outer rocker will come off with about 1 hour worth of work. Once you get past the shock of drilling steal out on your car, you get comfortable with it and it actually goes pretty smoothly.

The rocker being pulled away.

1973 Alfa Romeo GTV - rocker panel removal by IsaaksofSalem, on Flickr

Here is the view with most of the rocker panel off.

1973 Alfa Romeo GTV - rocker panel removal by IsaaksofSalem, on Flickr

What it looks like (representative) underneath. Notice how the rocker was seem welded to the middle sill, I am not sure if this is the correct way to install, but it's certainly a PITA to remove if someone seam welds stuff!

1973 Alfa Romeo GTV - rocker panel removal by IsaaksofSalem, on Flickr
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...I like the chassis rocker's, but my rear bumper mounts are toast, so I am still thinking through how I may do mine.
Is this what your's is like?
Sort of....except mine mounts to the suspension mounting points at the front and the rear. This gave me total access to the front nose panel and radiator panel which I had to completely rebuild....also I'm not a fan of hanging off the rear bumper mounts...seems too flimsy to and I didn't want to risk bending the panels back there.


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Some more clean-up on the sills after rocker panel removal

Wow..what a PITA all that little detailed clean-up can be.

Here is the progress, and I am stopping on the passenger side until the full dustless blast can get in there and I'll really be able to see what I have. Now onto the drivers side!

1973 Alfa Romeo GTV sill replacement passenger side fully cleaned off. by IsaaksofSalem, on Flickr

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Looking forward to seeing how the dutless blasting works in the real world!

The passenger seat is 15 miles an hour faster than the drivers seat.

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