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post #31 of 97 (permalink) Old 11-11-2015, 02:18 PM Thread Starter
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And here it is...in all it's glory...(ok maybe not to much glory yet!)
Should be on a ship this week, taking it's sweet time coming across the Atlantic.

Twin Spark Engine for Alfa Romeo GTV Crated by IsaaksofSalem, on Flickr
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post #33 of 97 (permalink) Old 11-25-2015, 04:53 AM Thread Starter
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So far......

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STANSTED GB
11/24/2015 - Tuesday
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STANSTED GB
11/23/2015 - Monday
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FELTHAM GB
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post #35 of 97 (permalink) Old 12-03-2015, 04:21 AM
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Christmas came early!

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Twin Spark Engine is on the engine stand

But I got there in the end...
Alfa Romeo Twin Spark 2.0l - engine on stand by IsaaksofSalem, on Flickr

Alfa Romeo Twin Spark 2.0l - engine on stand by IsaaksofSalem, on Flickr

Alfa Romeo Twin Spark 2.0l - engine on stand by IsaaksofSalem, on Flickr

Alfa Romeo Twin Spark 2.0l - engine on stand by IsaaksofSalem, on Flickr

Crank turns smooth as butter, and the oil evan has some nice color to it!

Alfa Romeo Twin Spark 2.0l - engine on stand by IsaaksofSalem, on Flickr

Alfa Romeo Twin Spark 2.0l - engine on stand by IsaaksofSalem, on Flickr

Oil Pump gear

Alfa Romeo Twin Spark 2.0l - engine on stand by IsaaksofSalem, on Flickr

It was a good day all-around
Alfa Romeo Twin Spark 2.0l - engine on stand by IsaaksofSalem, on Flickr
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post #37 of 97 (permalink) Old 01-18-2016, 07:46 AM Thread Starter
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Crank is out, and at the Machine Shop

There is just a slight amount of 'bronze' coming through on one or two of the bearings. The rest appear to be 'just fine'. I am hoping the crank does not need to be turned, because, if it does need to be turned, that will be more money.

Honestly, the way it's looking now, I may just cross my fingers and hope it remains standard with no turning. Only the shop can tell, and it appears to do a **** load of crank work, so hopefully they drill the pilot hole I need for the tranny, and get the bushing installed.


Alfa Romeo Twin Spark Crank and Timing Chain by Ian Bennett, on Flickr

Alfa Romeo Twin Spark Crank and Timing Chain by Ian Bennett, on Flickr

Alfa Romeo Twin Spark Crank and Timing Chain by Ian Bennett, on Flickr

This hole is not 22mm!! The 'pilot' hole in this crank is about 4mm deep, and about 8mm wide, needs to be 20mm deep and 22mm wide!
Alfa Romeo Twin Spark Crank and Timing Chain by Ian Bennett, on Flickr

Alfa Romeo Twin Spark Crank and Timing Chain by Ian Bennett, on Flickr

Alfa Romeo Twin Spark Crank and Timing Chain by Ian Bennett, on Flickr

A little wear in this bearing....but notice the very odd...melted/welded worm-like thing in the bearing.

Alfa Romeo - bearing wear and roof repair fail by Ian Bennett, on Flickr

Another wierd worm-like path in this bearing (this was the worst)

Alfa Romeo - bearing wear and roof repair fail by Ian Bennett, on Flickr

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post #38 of 97 (permalink) Old 01-18-2016, 01:39 PM
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I've had a crank turned and it's not that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things. If you don't see any obvious scoring you can probably just have it polished. Just make sure they polish it turning in the right direction. Looking good!
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the ones that got away:
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1962 Giulietta Spider normale
1965 Giulia Sprint normale
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post #39 of 97 (permalink) Old 01-18-2016, 02:25 PM
I assume the TS cranks are nitrided and if so, unless this motor has been really flogged it will probably be fine.

So... have you made any progress with the body? By the looks of it, you won't be needing the motor anytime soon...
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post #40 of 97 (permalink) Old 01-18-2016, 02:37 PM
Ian, forgive me for sniping one of your flickr pictures but the fiberglass fenders caught my eye. They are obviously full fenders, not just riveted on flares. Are the rears the same? Do you know where they came from?

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As others have posted, crank work is no big deal. Usually costs $150 or so for a V8 crank where I'm from, but if it's not out of round or scored/grooved, you should be fine.

You going with reconditioned stock rods or something aftermarket?
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I'll try to answer some questions here:

1. The fender flares are fiberglass 'full' flares, and if I had a choice (and the car didn't come with the fenders already chopped off!), I wouldn't do the flare look, HOWEVER if you are doing flares, I think the period rivet look is actually better, it just doesn't look good on full-flares.

2. The sequence of my 'mad-scientist street-racer approach to a resto-mod' (getting engine before the body is ready) is purely due to being able to obtain the engine. And now that I have it, the body went to the back burner (sort of) until I got it stripped down and got the crank to the shop. Now I am back on the body, working hard (ish) I prepped the drivers side to receive the new outer rocker, and got that all cleaned up and prepped.

3. No, the motor I will not 'need' anytime soon....but I am excited to get it back together and running, because there are so many bit's and pieces that are going to nickle and dime me to death!

4. I am considering going with forged rods, because they are so cheap, and they come with new rod bolts (300$ on ebay) but everyone keeps saying the rods are the strongest thing on this engine, so it has me thinking maybe I just put it all back together, with coated bearings, and run it as-is. Time will tell, and available funds will come into play. Wait longer = more forged stuff...sooner rebuild = less forged stuff.
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I was under the impression that the rods on a nord are forged, TS rods aren't?
Great posts, I had to chuckle on getting nickel and dimed to death, so true, it's happened to all of us

The passenger seat is 15 miles an hour faster than the drivers seat.

currently
2017 Giulia Q4
74 GTV restored daily driver
71 Berlina in 2L restored driver
the ones that got away:
1959 750 series Giulietta Spider Veloce
1962 Giulietta Spider normale
1965 Giulia Sprint normale
1972 GTV
1974 GTV
1974 GTV
1977 Spider
1974 Spider
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I was under the impression that the rods on a nord are forged, TS rods aren't?
I am not sure if they are or not, but I do know the forged version's are lighter by about 200g on each rod, so the lighter wieght can help at higher RPM's. And honestly, I am hoping to rev the car to 8k...not sure if that's possible with the stock motronic setup but that is what I wish to have happen.

So, the lighter weight, good balancing, and the 'better' lubricating bearings from a cold start should help with the high RPM's I want to have available.
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That body work I was talking about....not much, but when you spend 2 hrs on your back with a grinding removing rust and primer 1/4" at a time, it looks like progress to you! ---hahaha

Still need to get some 1/8" steel, a welder, and cut-out the rust parts of this sill, and weld in new pieces. But the idea here was to stop the rust that was occuring from using VHT rust converter...NEVER USE THIS STUFF! It's water based, and somehow 'converted' very little of what was there, and just made my rust problem worse...so I got out the grinder, and ground it all off and back to bare steel so I could apply some etch primer. The etch looks like it has done the job (so far).

1973 Alfa Romeo outer sill panel - 1/2 repaired still needs welding & more paint and frame sealant by Ian Bennett, on Flickr
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