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I just noticed the 101 Spider on BAT has sold to an Aussie.
They will be a common sight here soon!
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Before we see it in Australia the new owner will have to have the car certified in US that it is clean of asbestos, other wise there are large penalties. Here are some links and details to help those looking at bringing an older car into Australia.
https://www.abf.gov.au/importing-exp...ories/asbestos
https://www.abf.gov.au/prohibited-go...ng-vehicle.pdf
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Australia is more likely to catch Tetanus from it than Mesothelioma...


Wasn’t me (unfortunately). I very nearly bid on this one... I’m not working at the moment and have the Duetto “underway” so a little shy of additional liabilities/toys. One day!! I hope the Celeste paint stays/returns.. the first Giulietta Spider I saw was this colour, it’s amazing in the light. Hope to see it one day. The final price (for me) was great considering what it is and needs, well bought I say.

(I’d prefer an earlier ‘57 so I could continue to pretend I will drive it in the Mille Migla one day )
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Before we see it in Australia the new owner will have to have the car certified in US that it is clean of asbestos, other wise there are large penalties. Here are some links and details to help those looking at bringing an older car into Australia.
https://www.abf.gov.au/importing-exp...ories/asbestos
https://www.abf.gov.au/prohibited-go...ng-vehicle.pdf
Hi Steve,
If you use a reputable and efficient shipping agent it should not be a drama.
I imported a 101 Spider this time last year and it was a breeze.
The government is scaring people importing cars and at the same time killing a small industry.
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sent a link for this auction to Tim Doyle. he said he'd passed it on to someone , so hopefully we can contact the owner eventually. cheers Ian

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Hi Steve,
If you use a reputable and efficient shipping agent it should not be a drama.
I imported a 101 Spider this time last year and it was a breeze.
The government is scaring people importing cars and at the same time killing a small industry.
Regards Daniel
Hi Daniel,
I think the car will have to be pulled down mechanically, engine out, gearbox clutch and brakes, along with any where else the factory placed asbestos on the car and cleaned whilst in the US, then reassembled prior to shipping? I think there are only two cleaning and checking labs in the US that issue certificates recognized by the Australian Govt.
I'm not saying it can't be done, you will just have to add that to your costs. You would be more familiar with what you paid a year ago, my guess now it would be say an extra ~$5-8k US.
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Pretty sure if you had a mechanic change break pads , clutch and Head Gasket and provide receipts it would be enough. also want to chuck the heat shields above the mufflers.

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Pretty sure if you had a mechanic change break pads , clutch and Head Gasket and provide receipts it would be enough. also want to chuck the heat shields above the mufflers.
cheers Ian
Hi Ian,
It seems to be quite an involved process, so not sure it would be enough if you read https://www.abf.gov.au/prohibited-go...ng-vehicle.pdf which states
"A ‘face value’ letter from the supplier, or the supplier’s mechanic, merely stating there is no asbestos content is unlikely to provide sufficient assurance."
You never know it may be a common sight to see many more LHD 101 Alfas come into Australia as suggested by Daniel, if people are prepared to pay for the extra cleaning costs.
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I Know of a few people who have brought cars in and t seems a bit hit and miss. but I don't think its cost them huge amounts. some have sailed through without any issue.
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I Know of a few people who have brought cars in and t seems a bit hit and miss. but I don't think its cost them huge amounts. some have sailed through without any issue.
Cambridge dictionary: hit-and-miss definition: If something is hit-and-miss, you cannot depend on it to be of good quality, on time, accurate.
So seems to be an element of risk that is not in your favour ('hit and miss'), but when it is in your favour 'you don't think its cost them huge amounts'
We are looking at two scenarios first is reducing the risks and what that costs?
And the second scenario is if you don't reduce the risks and what that costs?

Hope the owner can find that it's a 'breeze' so they can 'be sailing through' good luck.
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Government agencies usually respond to folks who play by their rules and who are aware of the rules and who don't blindly or through ignorance try to bluff their way around the rules. The agents appreciate importers who are informed and respect the rules. The point of importers making a claim there is nothing that breaks the rules on a bluff gets trashed the minute the agent asks a pertinent dummy no brainer question like "are the brake pads still in the car?" If you say YES... you are in for a world of hurt because that is a slam dunk no-no.

My strategy would be to go through the list of items on their website and have a written response for EACH one. This is something that an agent would look kindly on. Example -- Brake pads-Removed
... Bonnet pad---- Removed...Head gasket, exhaust gaskets, all down the list and so forth. Each one has to be noted. I'd risk the engine gaskets as they are pretty much ENCAPSULATED Using that term is the jargon of anyone who does asbestos abatement. I would go so far as the have the undercoating analyzed by a lab ..CHEAP.. and quick.. If it has asbestos you can possibly ENCAPSULATE it with a coat of primer and show it to be an acceptable method in the abatement industry. In the end I think your efforts will be rewarded.. Without the effort you are red meat to the lions in the agency. Just my 2 cents. BTW Gov't agents only go by the rules but they are all cut out of the same cloth regardless of what country. There sure doesn't leave any room for ANY asbestos though.

I found this particularly dire... The act of applying for import permission is not a guarantee that it will be granted. Owners must not ship
vehicles until they have received the import permission in writing. A copy of the permission must be
produced to the ABF at the point of importation.
In summary
The owner of the vehicle intended for importation into Australia needs to undertake appropriate checks to
ensure that the vehicle is not fitted with parts or components which contain asbestos. This will facilitate
compliance with border requirements and help prevent delays or costs associated with intervention by the
ABF.
More information with respect to the asbestos border control and border processes is located on the
ABF website.


Bottom line I'd be nervous.
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Hi Steve,
If you use a reputable and efficient shipping agent it should not be a drama.
I imported a 101 Spider this time last year and it was a breeze.
The government is scaring people importing cars and at the same time killing a small industry.
Regards Daniel
^^^
A mate of mine brought in an inherited TR5 a few years ago, used a specialist car shipping agent all costs quoted up front so he knew what he was up against and no problems at all with clearance.

It’d be great to see the proud new owner on the BB.

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Government agencies usually respond to folks who play by their rules and who are aware of the rules and who don't blindly or through ignorance try to bluff their way around the rules. The agents appreciate importers who are informed and respect the rules. The point of importers making a claim there is nothing that breaks the rules on a bluff gets trashed the minute the agent asks a pertinent dummy no brainer question like "are the brake pads still in the car?" If you say YES... you are in for a world of hurt because that is a slam dunk no-no.

My strategy would be to go through the list of items on their website and have a written response for EACH one. This is something that an agent would look kindly on. Example -- Brake pads-Removed
... Bonnet pad---- Removed...Head gasket, exhaust gaskets, all down the list and so forth. Each one has to be noted. I'd risk the engine gaskets as they are pretty much ENCAPSULATED Using that term is the jargon of anyone who does asbestos abatement. I would go so far as the have the undercoating analyzed by a lab ..CHEAP.. and quick.. If it has asbestos you can possibly ENCAPSULATE it with a coat of primer and show it to be an acceptable method in the abatement industry. In the end I think your efforts will be rewarded.. Without the effort you are red meat to the lions in the agency. Just my 2 cents. BTW Gov't agents only go by the rules but they are all cut out of the same cloth regardless of what country. There sure doesn't leave any room for ANY asbestos though.

I found this particularly dire... The act of applying for import permission is not a guarantee that it will be granted. Owners must not ship
vehicles until they have received the import permission in writing. A copy of the permission must be
produced to the ABF at the point of importation.
In summary
The owner of the vehicle intended for importation into Australia needs to undertake appropriate checks to
ensure that the vehicle is not fitted with parts or components which contain asbestos. This will facilitate
compliance with border requirements and help prevent delays or costs associated with intervention by the
ABF.
More information with respect to the asbestos border control and border processes is located on the
ABF website.


Bottom line I'd be nervous.
What a great reply. You must be a fast typist to boot!
Can you please explain the “undercoating” re asbestos.

My car was assessed by the shipping agent. It was shipped with out brake pads. I wanted to fit fresh pads but they needed a certificate regarding asbestos content, so it was easier to ship with them removed.
I had already removed a heat shield on a trip a few months before shipping.
I put all my faith in the shipping agent as they do this daily. I did grit my teeth, and yes I was NERVOUS.
It arrived, sailed through customs so fast that I was not expecting it for a few days. I asked if we could delay for a few days till I’m rostered off. The shipping agent agent said, “ you don’t want to pay storage for two or three days-trust me”.
The Alfa was delivered by an excellent tow truck driver who helped my dad (I was at work) position the car in my garage. Remember, it was not drivable at this point.
It was painless in the end and the car did not have a mark on it apart from a few cat prints (it sat in the indoor LA depot for 3 weeks)
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Would love to see your car one day Karter

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