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post #1 of 23 (permalink) Old 11-28-2014, 11:40 PM Thread Starter
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Alfa Romeo is here with the 2015 4C. One is sitting in my drive. I'm so excited I probably won't sleep tonight.


She is: 2015 Alfa Romeo 4C Launch Edition 015/500 and Alfa Rosso (red). Had 10 miles on her.

She will be at the January event (Willow Springs) doing what she was designed to do. Making noise, going fast and getting lots of attention.

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So, is it yours?

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2004 GT 3.2 V6 (Stromboli Grey).
2008 159 TI Sportwagon 2.4 JTDM (Stromboli Grey).
1987 75 3 litre (red). My first 75 and now my son's.
2000 156 2 litre Twin Spark, ( Cosmos Blu metallic), my daughter's car.
2000 156 Monza Twin Spark, (Cosmos Blue metallic), sonís girlfiendís car.
1999 GTV 3 litre 24 valve V6, metallic black, (sonís new car).

Non Alfa
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Past Alfas
1989 75 3 litre, written off by runaway van.
1990 75 3 litre Potenziata (black), now sold & living in Newcastle NSW.
1990 75 3 litre Potenziata (grey, sadly deceased due to fire).
1982 GTV 2 litre, red, (daughter's first Alfa)
2 x 1992 164s, (1 red, 1 grey).
2 x 1988 33s, (both red).
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So, is it yours?
Yes. Paid for in full.

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She's in my driveway. I drove her there. She must be my car.



At the dealer's. The lights are not on, that's a reflection of the flash.


I went into my dealer today, Santa Monica Fiat and Alfa Romeo, to see if they had sold their first car or not. They had not. My salesman opened the door and told me I could sit in it. I've sat in three already, but OK.

Then he gave me the key. I'm no dummy, he wants me to start it, so I did.

Well, I must have blacked out or something. The next thing I knew it was my car. It was a long black out. I went to my bank and came back with a cashiers note for the full purchase price.

My wife was kind of pissed that I spent $98,500 (including taxes). After a few hours she calmed down enough to go for a ride. By the time we got home she was ecstatic.

Took my brother for a ride to our father's house. Dad was so excited I thought he was going to pee his pants. Took Dad for a ride. Let my brother drive it back home (my home).

015 is Alfa Rosso and had 10 miles on it when I sat down and fired her up. There is an aluminum license holder provided for the front plate. Mine is in the trunk. No holes defile the the front fascia. She had been fully prepped including a full tank of gas.

The steering is easy, even at full rest. At normal speeds I was able to have a comfortable conversation with all my passengers. The tires pick up on the rain grooves more than I'm used to, but not as bad as my motorcycles have. I can feel certain types of road surfaces, more than most cars, but nothing severe.

Have not turned on the radio. Defrost works well. Headlamps light the road nicely. Seats feel comfortable, the wife gave her approval.

Still in dynamic mode, manual only. Paddles work well. Computer takes care of the rev-matching for very smooth shifts. The few times I ran her out, she up-shifted early on her own, at about 5,000 or 5,500. Red line is 6,500. Doing about 30 MPH on the Blvd and it would not let me shift into 6. Go slow enough and she down shifts on her own. This is Dynamic Manual mode.

Tomorrow my wife wants me to drive her out to one of her quilting stores. I think it about 50 miles each way. I know a few nice canyon roads on the way.

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Excellent! Videos would be appreciated by all, I am sure!

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Good for you!. The new Alfa era begins...

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You are one very lucky man Racer Z! It is nice to hear initial impressions of a 4C from someone who is not a motoring journalist for a change. The trouble with those guys is that they are too used to being critical and tend to approach a car in a different way to the rest of us. Most of them do seem to like the 4C though. Keep reporting on your experiences with your new toy and yes some video would be nice. Enjoy!

Current Alfas
2010 159 ti 1750 TBI sedan (red).
2004 GT 3.2 V6 (Stromboli Grey).
2008 159 TI Sportwagon 2.4 JTDM (Stromboli Grey).
1987 75 3 litre (red). My first 75 and now my son's.
2000 156 2 litre Twin Spark, ( Cosmos Blu metallic), my daughter's car.
2000 156 Monza Twin Spark, (Cosmos Blue metallic), sonís girlfiendís car.
1999 GTV 3 litre 24 valve V6, metallic black, (sonís new car).

Non Alfa
1988 Range Rover Classic Highline 3.9 V8

Past Alfas
1989 75 3 litre, written off by runaway van.
1990 75 3 litre Potenziata (black), now sold & living in Newcastle NSW.
1990 75 3 litre Potenziata (grey, sadly deceased due to fire).
1982 GTV 2 litre, red, (daughter's first Alfa)
2 x 1992 164s, (1 red, 1 grey).
2 x 1988 33s, (both red).
1985 GTV 2 litre, (white).
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We put on about 170 miles today. My wife promptly fell asleep. I think that says a lot, in a good way. It's not so noisy or uncomfortably that you can't nap. She likes the seat. "Most headrests bother me, but not this one."

Because of the break-in restriction, I was in Natural mode all day. The computer won't allow Dynamic or Race modes until 180 miles. It seemed, hmm, under-powered, sort of. Very smooth is a more realistic statement. Full throttle freeway on ramp got going real fast real quick, but not with that neck snapping sling shot effect I was expecting. Smooth.

We were able to converse easy and naturally. I think the wind rushing in the windows was louder than the exhaust at 60 to 80.

Some road conditions could really be felt. We both agreed that it was a lot like my work truck while empty. The car picks up the surface ruts easy and transmits it into the steering wheel. The wheel jigs and the car jogs. I don't fight it. Just as quick the steering wheel jogs and the car jigs. Never skipped a beat. Never got out of shape. Never changed course. Never had to force the issue. Well manured.

Took a few interchange sweepers that I'm used to. In my work truck, 70 feels like the safe upper limit. In my Abarth (Fiat 500) 80 mph is comfortable, not the safe upper limit, just comfortable. In the Alfa at 80, she wants to run. "Why are you holding me back, Master?"

The steering is light. Even at full stop it's not hard. I can easily one hand it around town. Now, maybe I need to point out my comparison cars. My work truck, a 3/4 ton with manual steering. My race car, a Datsun 240Z. My Abarth with electric assist. The truck I can one hand but only while moving. The Z has a heavy wheel, but I like it. The Abarth gets heavier in "Sport" mode. The Datsun, Abarth and Alfa all weigh the same, just under 2500 pounds. The Alfa feels like the Abarth in Sport mode. Anybody that thinks it's heavy needs a lot of exercise.

Just a few miles from home, at the end of our day, I was able to go into Dynamic mode. So I tossed her into Race mode right quick. Well, let me tell you. The exhaust note changed considerably. Louder. Meaner. Growl Snarl Spit. Cough. Fart. Oops, last two were me. Goose the throttle and she jumps like a slingshot. First time all day my wife yelled, "Slow Down!"

I didn't go fast. I just goosed the throttle. Neck snapping response.

Went to a shopping mall. Got a lot of comments.
"I saw one of those at the LA Auto Show. Was told they wouldn't be available for two months."

This kid (19 or so) asked me, "Do you like it?"
"Well, it's mine. I just bought it."
"Did you test drive it first? Did you test drive the Cayman first?"
"No. I didn't test drive iether one. I just bought the Alfa."
He looked at me like I was an idiot or something and walked away.
A man walked up and said, "That was really dumb question. What kind of car is this. It sure is cute."
We had a nice conversation about Alfa Romeo.

While driving, another kid (young man) looked admiringly at the 4C. Told me it looked great and asked what kind of car is it.
"Alfa Romeo."
"Oh. Who makes it?"
"Alfa Romeo. Fiat owns Alfa Romeo."
My wife had to remind me that most people, especially the young, never heard of Alfa.

The attention just never stops. I'm not complaining. I knew this was part of the deal. I'm proud to an Ambassador of Alfa Romeo.

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What class will your 4C run in? I'm guessing N. Really looking forward to seeing you run!

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The attention just never stops. I'm not complaining. I knew this was part of the deal. I'm proud to an Ambassador of Alfa Romeo.
That's fantastic! I love your very entertaining reports.

Current Alfas
2010 159 ti 1750 TBI sedan (red).
2004 GT 3.2 V6 (Stromboli Grey).
2008 159 TI Sportwagon 2.4 JTDM (Stromboli Grey).
1987 75 3 litre (red). My first 75 and now my son's.
2000 156 2 litre Twin Spark, ( Cosmos Blu metallic), my daughter's car.
2000 156 Monza Twin Spark, (Cosmos Blue metallic), sonís girlfiendís car.
1999 GTV 3 litre 24 valve V6, metallic black, (sonís new car).

Non Alfa
1988 Range Rover Classic Highline 3.9 V8

Past Alfas
1989 75 3 litre, written off by runaway van.
1990 75 3 litre Potenziata (black), now sold & living in Newcastle NSW.
1990 75 3 litre Potenziata (grey, sadly deceased due to fire).
1982 GTV 2 litre, red, (daughter's first Alfa)
2 x 1992 164s, (1 red, 1 grey).
2 x 1988 33s, (both red).
1985 GTV 2 litre, (white).
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What class will your 4C run in? I'm guessing N. Really looking forward to seeing you run!
http://www.aroschpd.org/info/Classes_2013-01-01.pdf

2450 pounds
240 HP

10.2 Wt/HP

+ 2.0 for street tires
- 0.5 for automated manual transmission (twin clutch paddle shift)

11.7 = Bottom of N

I liked the 10.2 better at top of N

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Drove to work in the rain today. Was temped to take the Abarth as it would do better in this type of weather. It was a real rain, near downpour at times. Used the 'A' mode and used my helium foot. Had to leave the lead foot at home. She did just fine. Never broke loose or got squirrelly.

It rain all day and on the way home too.

The defroster is a joke. The windows started fogging up. Turning the heat on and setting it to defrost seemed to make it worse. Both sides and the front.

The rear defogger works great. Both rear windows fogged up, the small horizontal and the bigger angled glass. Turned on the rear window defogger and both panes cleared up.

The front and sides just kept getting worse. About the time I was ready to pull over and look for a rag, I remembered something. I have A/C. All A/C units have a 'dryer'. So I hit the A/C switch and twisted the knob to cold. In seconds the glass cleared up, all three.

It was a long slow drive, idling in second on the Highway at times. So I had time to play with things. Not that thing, get your mind out of the gutter. Leaving the A/C on and setting the heat control to where I was comfortable is what worked best. :idea:

I played with the radio for a while. What a hunk of junk. In 'A' mode at slow speeds the radio can heard because the car is quiet. The radio actually goes quite loud. It sounds like dog water. It is hard to use the controls.

My conclusion: Leave it alone and never ever turn it on again. Or, toss it in the trash and replace it along with the cheap speakers. As a daily driver, stuck in slow traffic for two hours a day, a real radio seems in order. Seeing the Alfa logo is not a substitute for bad music.

When I told my wife about the defroster not working, she told me to take it back to the dealer and get it fixed. "But it's an Alfa. It's got to at least one minor problem."

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Thanks for posting your latest update Racer Z. With regard to the defroster; in my experience defrosters by themselves don't work too well on most cars. From memory, even the two Volvo 480s we owned weren't perfect in that regard. My 75 struggled when I was unable to use the aircon. I remember being amazed the first time someone demonstrated using their aircon to instantly defrost the windscreen to me years ago, so I wouldn't consider that a major fault with the 4C

Current Alfas
2010 159 ti 1750 TBI sedan (red).
2004 GT 3.2 V6 (Stromboli Grey).
2008 159 TI Sportwagon 2.4 JTDM (Stromboli Grey).
1987 75 3 litre (red). My first 75 and now my son's.
2000 156 2 litre Twin Spark, ( Cosmos Blu metallic), my daughter's car.
2000 156 Monza Twin Spark, (Cosmos Blue metallic), sonís girlfiendís car.
1999 GTV 3 litre 24 valve V6, metallic black, (sonís new car).

Non Alfa
1988 Range Rover Classic Highline 3.9 V8

Past Alfas
1989 75 3 litre, written off by runaway van.
1990 75 3 litre Potenziata (black), now sold & living in Newcastle NSW.
1990 75 3 litre Potenziata (grey, sadly deceased due to fire).
1982 GTV 2 litre, red, (daughter's first Alfa)
2 x 1992 164s, (1 red, 1 grey).
2 x 1988 33s, (both red).
1985 GTV 2 litre, (white).
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SO great to actually see one in someone's hands.

I like to hear about growl snarl spit.

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Don't feel too bad about the mediocre defroster. My Miata is no better. If the AC worked it would help for sure.
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