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new competition venue?

Has the comp committee ever thought about seeing if the club could get ElToro airbase for a giant high speed auto-x? I hear they can get near 100mph speeds there. PCA is big on this venue Orange Coast Region - Walter's Automotive Group Driving Events Series
It seems that the big parking lots at calspeed fontana is very expensive for the club.

If the Alfa club did some auto-x venues especially in the heat heat of the summer it is so much cooler to run with just a streetcar and helmet. I don't know anyone who likes to go to buttonwillow in august. Also auto-x may get members a taste of speed and get them to think about our road course venues.
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Thanks for the idea. We looked into El Toro again this year but were told that speeds needed to be kept under something like 60 mph. Actually, I don't remember the exact number but that's close. If PCA are running faster, they either have a different set of "rules" to work with or they're interpreting the "speed limit" differently than we would.

Besides, Fontana was expensive for the club because not many people showed up. The last time we ran at Fontana, the attendance wasn't very good either. I believe this means they're not interested in running in parking lots.

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Tentative event at a new (I hope) track.

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Besides, Fontana was expensive for the club because not many people showed up. The last time we ran at Fontana, the attendance wasn't very good either. I believe this means they're not interested in running in parking lots.
Agreed! I bet there are many AROSC members who have nice cars that would not even think of bringing to a dirty track like WSIR and risk not only track debris but spinning off into the rocks or getting kissed by another car. Auto-x could be a solution because damage is almost never. A funny thing I have been noting is speedventures has been gaining a steady following of auto-xers. When they go to cal speed they always run an autox too. They are starting to get just autoxers at their venue while the roadcourse guys are doing their thing as usual. The autoxers usually have nicer cars driven to the track. Perhaps the reason for our poor turnout at calspeed parking lot is because our audience is roadracers and there is just not enough thrill in autox courses. Also, auto-x club rules are more lax so guys do not need to modify their cars. I see t-shirts and helmets and 3 point belts. These sub 60mph events are not even max freeway speeds on the way to WSIR so we should be able to lower the club rules on car prep perhaps. Just like hpde is so popular and arosc has started an hpde program to bring in new TT'ers and racer's perhaps auto-x may bring in more who take the next step to a roadcourse. Anyway it is just a thought as I see clubs like TCRA (more of a race club like ours) die and speedventures grow (more of a hpde club). Interestingly speedventures has just introduced its first "race" to my knowledge. So they now have something for everyone from auto-x to hpde to hpde with a open passing group to a wheel to wheel race group and class challenges. I think the broad appeal works because there is always a place to go with speedventures and tracks love them because their volume means gate reciepts for the track and that means they get all the good dates I think. We have an awesome club but no way to feed it. Except now with the club hpde program hopefully that will change and we can get our numbers up and look better to the tracks.
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Actually, if an AROSC member brought me a good business proposal for running an autox program, I'd be more than happy to listen. It would have to contain a pretty solid description of how they expected to finance it, market it and staff it but there's no fundamental reason it couldn't be done. We even have autox covered in our Comp Code.

However, I believe it would unreasonable to expect the people who volunteer their time to put on the TT and race events to do the same for autox any more then they would for concours. For the most part, it's just not their thing. And just for the record, I have absolutely nothing against autox's. In fact, I usually run in a couple of them a year with the SD BMWCCA. I'd probably run more if they didn't conflict with AROSC activities so often.

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Actually, if an AROSC member brought me a good business proposal for running an autox program, I'd be more than happy to listen....snip...
However, I believe it would unreasonable to expect the people who volunteer...snip....
It is easy for me to talk about an idea. Volunteer time and money you would need a more knowledgeable person than I to even begin to figure out the financing or logistics. I don't even know how to set-up cones so you don't wipe out the timing tower. But if you guys are short on grunt labor I'll be glad to chip in.
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... But if you guys are short on grunt labor I'll be glad to chip in.
Thanks for the offer. When something comes up, we'll give a shout!

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