Classic Motorsports Magazine On-Line Poll - Alfa Romeo Bulletin Board & Forums
 5Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 17 (permalink) Old 07-05-2018, 07:16 AM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
MALDI's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Maryland
Posts: 1,145
Arrow Classic Motorsports Magazine On-Line Poll

Click the link below and go to Most Undervalued Car to vote for the GTV6

https://classicmotorsports.com/classies/

Gepetto likes this.
MALDI is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 17 (permalink) Old 07-05-2018, 08:17 PM
Del
Senior Member
Gold Subscriber
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: seattle
Posts: 15,106
I would vote for the 164 as the most unappreciated and undervalued Alfa over the GTV6, anyway, having or had a couple of each.

Del

Seattle

1989 Milano, Shankle Sport
1991 164S, stock
1994 164LS (~Q)
1972 Morgan 27

previously owned since 1964:

62 Morris MiniMinor 850, 67 Austin 1275 Cooper S (Downton 3/4 race), 64 Giulia Sprint GT (1st red one made), 72 Fiat 128 Sedan, 75 Alfetta Sedan, 78 Alfetta Sedan, 78 GTV, 81 GTV6, 86 GTV6

Last edited by Del; 08-15-2018 at 10:23 AM.
Del is offline  
post #3 of 17 (permalink) Old 07-06-2018, 06:02 AM
Senior Member
Gold Subscriber
 
crackie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 896
I just voted. GTV6 currently leads the poll. Keep on voting everyone! Or as they say in Chicago, “vote early and often”.
Gepetto likes this.

--Scott
Current: 85 GTV6, 69 Duetto, 17 Giulia, 74 GTV
Past: 65 Giulia Sprint GT, 77 Alfetta, 79 Alfetta, 87 Milano Gold, 74 GTV (Euro)
crackie is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #4 of 17 (permalink) Old 07-06-2018, 06:37 AM
Registered User
 
101/105guy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 6,508
Ah yes......
"Dignity, at any cost "

'64 Guilia Spider
'67 GTV
'68 Giulia Super

Conservatives-we work hard, so you don't have to !
101/105guy is offline  
post #5 of 17 (permalink) Old 07-06-2018, 10:30 AM
Senior Member
Gold Subscriber
 
crackie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 896
Sorry, don't recognize the quote.

Del - You'd vote 164 over Milano?

--Scott
Current: 85 GTV6, 69 Duetto, 17 Giulia, 74 GTV
Past: 65 Giulia Sprint GT, 77 Alfetta, 79 Alfetta, 87 Milano Gold, 74 GTV (Euro)

Last edited by crackie; 07-06-2018 at 10:32 AM.
crackie is offline  
post #6 of 17 (permalink) Old 07-06-2018, 11:32 AM
Del
Senior Member
Gold Subscriber
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: seattle
Posts: 15,106
Yeah, and I have one of those as well.

I like the regular Milano, don't get me wrong, fun to drive in certain ways, ie, lighter handling, my wife likes to drive it, but I've never gotten used to the looks, and the 164 just has more grunt, esp on the faster hilly roads. I've driven the 1975 sedan, 1978 sedan, 1978 GTV, 1986 GTV6, 89 Milano, the 91S, and the 94LS on extensive high mileage trips around the West, high and low, mountains and desert, and the 91S is better for the winding mountainous roads, where the grunt is needed, and the LS(Q) is better on the faster curvy touring highways.

There are certain "sports car" roads where the Milano is certainly fun (and actually the 1975 sedan with it's gearing), but those roads are somewhat rare, nowhere near a populated city or suburbs (with police), and you have to work the revs considerable more to keep the speed up, which is ok, for a while. Otherwise, it doesn't have the lower end grunt. I suspect the Verde is better of course. The 86GTV6 had to be worked more as well to get the performance (it was a much better GTV6 than the 81).

Just my own feelings. The 164 model is just plain better than many think, and the 91S was the first Alfa since the 64 Sprint GT to put the big grin on my face, so my wife says, lol.

Of course, with your new Giulia... you might not care for it.



"Conservatives, retreating into the past, so you don't have to"

Del

Seattle

1989 Milano, Shankle Sport
1991 164S, stock
1994 164LS (~Q)
1972 Morgan 27

previously owned since 1964:

62 Morris MiniMinor 850, 67 Austin 1275 Cooper S (Downton 3/4 race), 64 Giulia Sprint GT (1st red one made), 72 Fiat 128 Sedan, 75 Alfetta Sedan, 78 Alfetta Sedan, 78 GTV, 81 GTV6, 86 GTV6

Last edited by Del; 08-15-2018 at 08:51 AM.
Del is offline  
post #7 of 17 (permalink) Old 07-06-2018, 12:10 PM
Senior Member
Gold Subscriber
 
crackie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 896
Yeah, I was interested in your perspective knowing that you have put so many miles on each of these cars. I've not had a 164 of any flavor, so was interested in the comparisons to tranaxle cars in terms of value-to-grin ratio. I, too, have never really gotten past the looks of a Milano...though a Verde rear spoiler helps. I suspect that will hold the value back on those for a long time. 164s get little love whatsoever at the moment, but that may pass with time if enough of them survive.

--Scott
Current: 85 GTV6, 69 Duetto, 17 Giulia, 74 GTV
Past: 65 Giulia Sprint GT, 77 Alfetta, 79 Alfetta, 87 Milano Gold, 74 GTV (Euro)
crackie is offline  
post #8 of 17 (permalink) Old 07-07-2018, 07:21 AM
Senior Member
Gold Subscriber
 
crackie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 896
Actually you can vote for both the GTV6 and 164 if so inclined in this poll. There is a separate category for post-1990 “modern classics” in this poll. Miata is currently leading that category (no surprise, I guess).

--Scott
Current: 85 GTV6, 69 Duetto, 17 Giulia, 74 GTV
Past: 65 Giulia Sprint GT, 77 Alfetta, 79 Alfetta, 87 Milano Gold, 74 GTV (Euro)
crackie is offline  
post #9 of 17 (permalink) Old 07-21-2018, 02:59 PM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
MALDI's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Maryland
Posts: 1,145
We have fallen out of the top spot.

If you haven't voted yet you should before it is too late.
MALDI is offline  
post #10 of 17 (permalink) Old 08-15-2018, 06:07 AM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
MALDI's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Maryland
Posts: 1,145
Classic Motorsports 6 Exotic Cars to Buy While They're Still a Bargain

https://classicmotorsports.com/artic...still-bargain/

See, a little marketing goes a long way.
MALDI is offline  
post #11 of 17 (permalink) Old 08-15-2018, 10:07 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Just outside Baltimore, MD, USA
Posts: 436
Re 164 vs GTV6, they are so different it's an apples to oranges comparison. I've owned both and I far prefer the GTV6 because I tend towards toss-able, spry car (I prefer the Milano to the 164 for fun driving as well). If I needed a DD I suppose I'd prefer the 164 over the GTV6 if not the Milano. Re '81 vs '86 GTV6, the only difference in how they drive is in the shift linkage and gear ratios. I didn't love the way the '86 GTV6 I had drove compared to either the '84 I had or the '81 I have now. The '86 has the "friendliest" ratios (ease around town) but not necessarily the most fun. In fact of the three, the '81 probably has my favorite gear box. As far as the improved shift linkage in the '86 goes, it never mattered to me, to the extent it was true. None of them shift like a Miata; each of them can benefit from double-clutching regardless of the strength of the synchros.

Jim: '17 Giulia Q4 Ti Sport/Performance; '92 Spider Veloce; '12 Honda Odyssey family hauler; '18 Mustang GT (because Alfa doesn't sell manuals anymore)
Rutlefan is offline  
post #12 of 17 (permalink) Old 08-15-2018, 01:16 PM
Del
Senior Member
Gold Subscriber
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: seattle
Posts: 15,106
Having just owned and/or driven just about every model of Alfa brought into the US since the early 60's, I have used all of them as DDs, quite suitably, from the Sprint GT to the 91S, and yes, they are different, but still sporty Alfas in their ways.

The GTV6 is as different than say my Sprint GT, as the GTV6 is to the 164. All three are tossable, with some tradeoffs because of the increased weight, but as the GTV6 has much more grunt out of the corners than the Sprint GT, the 164 has that much more grunt out of the corners than the GTV6. You trade some toss-ability for getting out of the corners faster in my experience.

All, in their way, are enjoyable to drive, even as DDs, but having put so many miles on most of them, I found I enjoyed the overall superior sporty drivability of the 164S over my very nice pristine 86 GTV6, which in it's own way was more fun than the 81 GTV6 I had. The Sprint GT was quite toss-able, but had no oomph out of any corner, you just had to keep the speed up and let it drift to straight. For many Alfa owners, toss-ability is perhaps overrated on most sports car roads, imo. No Alfa ever came close to the toss-ability of my Minis. No comparison, so I know what real toss-ability is.

But I do think they are all Alfas in one form or another, and I've enjoyed the miles in each of the ones I've driven.

Enjoy which model and style you like, since we are all a little different in our preferences.
NMMilano likes this.

Del

Seattle

1989 Milano, Shankle Sport
1991 164S, stock
1994 164LS (~Q)
1972 Morgan 27

previously owned since 1964:

62 Morris MiniMinor 850, 67 Austin 1275 Cooper S (Downton 3/4 race), 64 Giulia Sprint GT (1st red one made), 72 Fiat 128 Sedan, 75 Alfetta Sedan, 78 Alfetta Sedan, 78 GTV, 81 GTV6, 86 GTV6

Last edited by Del; 08-16-2018 at 08:11 PM.
Del is offline  
post #13 of 17 (permalink) Old 08-16-2018, 05:49 AM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
MALDI's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Maryland
Posts: 1,145
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rutlefan View Post
... double-clutching regardless of the strength of the synchros.
Double-clutching is half the fun!
Del likes this.
MALDI is offline  
post #14 of 17 (permalink) Old 08-16-2018, 09:19 AM
Del
Senior Member
Gold Subscriber
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: seattle
Posts: 15,106
I have double clutched all of my Alfas probably 95% of the time when I drive, just for the fun. It's been basically a subconscious habit. I never think about whether or not I'm going to do it. Sometimes even into 1st gear, just for the heck of it, for the practice. Although, I must say, in order to save on oil, I sometimes just push in the clutch and kick it into neutral and coast to a stop if at low speeds. The 91S evidently uses a lot of oil coming down on compression, although it does not smoke at all. The oil just disappears, with no drips at all (actually, unusual I must say).

I have to laugh sometimes, as people who ride with me often say, what the heck are you doing? I go, huh, what, oh that. Just the way I drive. They say, I don't know what you are doing, but it is smooth.

My wife's bro back east just bought a used Jetta w/manual transmission. Said he likes using the manual. Spritely car, could be a lot of fun to drive, but he is pretty darn herky jerky when shifting either way, and certainly has no clue about double clutching. Not a smooth driver at all, too stubborn to admit it. I silently grit my teeth when I ride with him. The manual is a waste for him.

Del

Seattle

1989 Milano, Shankle Sport
1991 164S, stock
1994 164LS (~Q)
1972 Morgan 27

previously owned since 1964:

62 Morris MiniMinor 850, 67 Austin 1275 Cooper S (Downton 3/4 race), 64 Giulia Sprint GT (1st red one made), 72 Fiat 128 Sedan, 75 Alfetta Sedan, 78 Alfetta Sedan, 78 GTV, 81 GTV6, 86 GTV6

Last edited by Del; 01-12-2019 at 11:46 AM.
Del is offline  
post #15 of 17 (permalink) Old 08-16-2018, 07:43 PM
Registered User
 
76Satisfaction's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Albany, NY & Sarpsborg, Norway
Posts: 808
Garage
Note: Vote for Best Online Community...

The poll results are all very interesting to read...
I mean, it becomes an interesting resource for all things automotive..

- Looks like some results are skewed simply by a Club all banding together and voting for themselves or their favorite.. but Ahem.. Not us, of course..
- How bizarre that the Citroen SM even made the list of 'most undervalued', when their prices spiked four-fold in the last 5 years.. hardly the definition of undervalued.
- NOTE: There is an opportunity to vote for this forum as "Best Online Community" - which it is!

- "Best Rally or Tour"... never heard of The New England 1000, and I live right here..
- "Best Race Car Driver of All Time"... never even heard of Dave Nicholas... is it a generational thing?
Stuff I never knew..
- Art

2007 Aston DB9, 1994 Alfa 164 LS, 1982 Alfa GTV6 Balocco SE, 1975 Maserati Bora, 1967 Plymouth Satellite convertible, 1965 Plymouth Satellite hardtop
76Satisfaction is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Alfa Romeo Bulletin Board & Forums forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome