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5 stores, no bueno. Back to the internet.

I did pick up a couple that seemed to fit well, they can serve as size surrogates when I grease them and see if the size works properly. I'll post the size if they pass the test.

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Taking the tool that I borrowed, I removed the all-thread from the tool and screwed them into the threaded holes provided at the base of the steering wheel. Then it was just a case of installing the all-thread threw the slots in the tool, tightening the all-thread nuts and snugging the tool against the steering shaft. I did lubricate the all the threads. No reason to fight friction.

A couple of wacks with a small ball peen and the steering wheel was loose.

Digging up a post from earlier in this thread - steering wheel removal. I am trying to remove mine and itís giving me a heck of a time. One of the all threads keeps slipping the threads when it gets too tight,but Iím pretty sure Iíve got the right size. Iíve had it under pressure and daily soaking of pb blaster plus hitting it with a small sledge hammer. Not budging an inch! Any additional tips out there?

When the wheel does come off, is it attached to the ribbed hub-like piece behind it? If so, that will be the next challenge if I ever get the wheel removed. My replacement wheel does not have that piece.





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Mine took about 5 days of this process before it finally popped loose.
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Digging up a post from earlier in this thread - steering wheel removal. I am trying to remove mine and it’s giving me a heck of a time. One of the all threads keeps slipping the threads when it gets too tight,but I’m pretty sure I’ve got the right size. I’ve had it under pressure and daily soaking of pb blaster plus hitting it with a small sledge hammer. Not budging an inch! Any additional tips out there?

When the wheel does come off, is it attached to the ribbed hub-like piece behind it? If so, that will be the next challenge if I ever get the wheel removed. My replacement wheel does not have that piece.
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I had the good fortune of having had someone take it off in the past. I can say, with some confidence, that it had been in place for a minimum of 8 years. I did take a rubber mallet to the back of the steering wheel hub, carefully, a couple of times. But, it was very much like what you're doing, although with an Alfa tool, as opposed to the common store bought remover. I can say that it worked much like your picture. What I can't quite tell is how much space there is between the flange on your tool and the top of the wheel. If the flange is resting on the top of the wheel, you won't get anywhere. You're pushing down and pulling up at the same time. (At least in my feeble brain, I wanted to get some elasticity in the system) You should have nuts on the bottom of the flange, screwed up the all thread, to create some space. I can't quite tell if you have them there, given the picture. If you do have space, then it's a case of lubrication, persuasive tightening and wacking the center pin with a hammer.

Once you have it off, if I remember, there are 4 screws left to remove. Pretty easy from there.

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Hmmm, I am assuming that you've loosened up the nut. I loosened mine a few turns, but left it on in order to capture the wheel when it came apart.

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Leaving this here for fiddling around with:

https://oringcalculator.eriksgroup.com/

https://www.mcmaster.com/o-rings

https://www.marcorubber.com/o-ring-g...iderations.htm

http://blog.parker.com/selecting-the...-squeeze-ratio

http://blog.parker.com/o-ring-squeez...-always-better

https://www.sealingdevices.com/o-rings-size-chart

http://www.sealseastern.com/OringPlugSeal.asp

Okay, okay, I'm going overboard. But it galls me to think that I have to spend what has to be spent to buy a reman'd brake caliper for the want of less than $1.00 worth of o-rings. Sorta pisses me off.

Especially when I looked at what I thought were reman'd gold passivated zinc calipers and realizing some reman vendor painted them gold. These are not hard to work on, they are tedious. And, with the caliper rebuild kit, which seems to be just the rubber boot, hold-on wire, and the piston seal, and a couple of itty bitty o-rings, these things can be easily done. IF they were in stock, Centerline sells the repair kit for $16.50, and I assume that does not include the o-rings, add another $1.00. So for less than $20.00, assume postage, you could rebuild both calipers, instead of spending $500 at Centerline for new calipers. I don't know what you earn per hour, but I think it's worth killing a few brain cells.

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Jubrele...
And...when you say the all-threads are slipping, do you mean moving around in the slots in the puller base, or pulling OUT of the steering wheel hub?
If it's the former, that shouldn't matter too much.
If it's the latter...I don't think you do have the right threads (6mm metric, IIRC). Best check that, or you could make life even harder. If the all-threads are deforming, use bolts instead.
Lastly, with that smallish socket handle you're using you would struggle to put much tension on the puller....you need to give it a fair tweak so you're applying a decent pulling force.
So, do take note of other posters' advice to leave the nut well unwound, but still on the shaft, coz it will likely go POP when it gives.
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Another trick is to get a good bit of tension on the puller bolt then give the end a good whack with a hammer. The shock helps a lot in popping them loose.

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Still working on those rear calipers I see ... sorry mate, had to say it

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I dont know where you're getting $500 for a pair of rear calipers at centerline. They're $159 each...and they're the real deal, properly zinc plated like ATE did them. I've scrutinized those centerline rear calipers before, including a full teardown on a supplied caliper and they're the best available from any vendor I've seen. And I've seen many.
Centerline also sells the split caliper o rings. Part number BK480. Pricey but they're the right ones. I've bought some before that are the wrong size but were close...they leaked.

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I dont know where you're getting $500 for a pair of rear calipers at centerline. They're $159 each...and they're the real deal, properly zinc plated like ATE did them. I've scrutinized those centerline rear calipers before, including a full teardown on a supplied caliper and they're the best available from any vendor I've seen. And I've seen many.
Centerline also sells the split caliper o rings. Part number BK480. Pricey but they're the right ones. I've bought some before that are the wrong size but were close...they leaked.

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What I can't quite tell is how much space there is between the flange on your tool and the top of the wheel. Bob

Thank you for this important point. When I read this I sheepishly thought ďdamn you, Physics, foiled again!Ē I thought for sure this was the answer. Went home, reset the flange with proper space and gave it a go. But still, no luck.

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If you do have space, then it's a case of lubrication, persuasive tightening and wacking the center pin with a hammer.
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Have been at it for a several days. Deploying more lubricant and patience. I will say that I have really whacked at the back of the wheel quite hard with a hammer as well (backside of spokes, with protective cover and as close as possible to center), but zero sign of progress. Maybe need to look for that Alfa specific puller next but for now I will keep at it.

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Have been at it for a several days. Deploying more lubricant and patience. I will say that I have really whacked at the back of the wheel quite hard with a hammer as well (backside of spokes, with protective cover and as close as possible to center), but zero sign of progress. Maybe need to look for that Alfa specific puller next but for now I will keep at it.

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You can't heat it with a torch, the damage to all the plastics would be devastating. I wonder if you could try one of the "Freeze-off" products? You'd just have to be careful with all the plastic while it's brittle.

Send me a PM with your address. The Alfa specific tool is a loaner from my patron saint in Richmond. I have a number of loaner items I need to get back to him, and maybe we can arrange a date wherein I can swing by and give it a go.

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Jubrele...If it's the latter...I don't think you do have the right threads (6mm metric, IIRC). Best check that, or you could make life even harder. If the all-threads are deforming, use bolts instead.

With this suggestion I went and picked up a 6mm metric threaded rod but it slides right in-too small. Or maybe it was correct and I have destroyed my threads with the 1/4Ē fine thread I was using and that seemed like a good fit. Canít find a long enough bolt due to that integrated hub. Iíve got the center nut loose but still on the threads, and Iíve got a larger wrench for some leverage but the threads slip before it gets super strong. Will get after it again tonight.




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