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I would suggest that if you plan to do this, you treat your old seals as if you have to reuse them. I did purchase a set of the "rear seals" for the GTV6 (apparently no such thing) when we measured things up at the NAPA store. They are just a scosh too small at the outside diameter, I considered sticking them in with some Locktite sleeve product.

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Yes there are rear seals. They are the stub axle seals on the transaxle. You have to pull the rear rotors off. Then pull the stub axle out. Press of the retaining ring then press off the bearing and seal assembly. Knock the bearing and seal out of the retainer. Install new ones and reassemble.
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Yes there are rear seals. They are the stub axle seals on the transaxle. You have to pull the rear rotors off. Then pull the stub axle out. Press of the retaining ring then press off the bearing and seal assembly. Knock the bearing and seal out of the retainer. Install new ones and reassemble.
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"front wheel bearing seal"

Is this the same seal as for the front hub axle of the Milano? Just had one of those replaced a couple of months ago, as somehow it became buggered and made a skritching noise as the wheel rotated.

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I don't know the answer to that question, Del. It's a great question, but I'm clueless. I may own four Alfa, but I'm still a rookie.

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Looking at the ePer for the Milano/75, I see one seal on the stub shaft, pn 60521293. Don't know if that is similar to the one on the GTV6, the eper doesn't cover that car.

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Thanks! I'll see what I can find with that Part Number.

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SMH...

At some point you either get angry, or...laugh. Great big belly laugh...a guffaw even.

The Lovely Donna let me know that I'd received a package at our front gate. I was excited. Finally some seals that are supposed to work. These came from the supplier via an order through Summit. The 494117s. Small box, but much packaging. I knew that things probably weren't quite up to snuff with the seals themselves when they were in two entirely different sized boxes, even if they were marked with the same label. Inside each box was a seal that looked completely unlike the one in the other box.







I was so flummoxed that I forgot to take a picture, I'll do that tonight.

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Looks like the Amazon purchase has made it to the Wilton Post Office. Hopefully I can get there and see what that purchase produced.

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Watching this closely . I am doing the same thing pretty soon.

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In case you’re down a bit, here are a bunch of other seals that aren’t working...

On the plus side, according to another thread, the value of your car is up.

Good luck. Looking forward to seeing it hit the road!
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GTV6/Milano front and rear axle/hub seals

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Yes there are rear seals. They are the stub axle seals on the transaxle. You have to pull the rear rotors off. Then pull the stub axle out. Press of the retaining ring then press off the bearing and seal assembly. Knock the bearing and seal out of the retainer. Install new ones and reassemble.
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Looking at the ePer for the Milano/75, I see one seal on the [front axle wheel hub], pn 60521293. Don't know if that is similar to the one on the GTV6, the eper doesn't cover that car.
FYI rear stub axle oil seals in transaxle were 60521230 for GTV6 and now 60521231 same as Milano.

Front axle hub wheel bearing inner grease seals are 60521293 for both GTV6 and Milano.

There was a 60500731 two front wheel bearings and axle shaft grease seal kit at one time.

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Difatta web site says they've got a few of the front. Don't know if that is up to date though.

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LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

sigh...sob

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Send the guys with the white jacket...

I just opened the Amazon package.

SMH

Time to pour a couple margaritas and mellow a bit.

Del, thanks for that tip. I might also try Jon Norman in Berkeley.


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@Spitfire - That's awesome. Thanks for the laugh.
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Enjoyed the picture. Where was it taken?

The seals look just like the small sea lions (way smaller than our West Coast sea lions, maybe 1/4 the weight) we walked around on the beaches in the Galapagos Islands when we were there. You could walk right up to them, and they just sort of stared at you for a couple of seconds, and then went back to sleep. Clearly they are not afraid of the great predator, lol.

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