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Needed a smoke wrench to remove the rotor screws.





I had planned to change all the bearings, but found out that I had the wrong seals. Bummer! I ordered some, and will pick them up tomorrow.

Both sides of the front suspension, including the torsion bars have been removed so I can install this:



It should make it easy to level the car.


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Mocked up:





I think I'll shorten the adjustment bolt a bit less than an inch. And cleanup the bearing surface. Right now it bears on a thin circle on the end of the bolt.








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We used to call that, actually a welding torch, a flame wrench. Useful now and then for stubborn parts such as removing frozen on wheel bearing races, etc. It's how I met one of my best buddies decades ago, when he had a wheel bearing race from his 64 Giulia Spider on his work desk. I asked, saying that looks like an overheated wheel bearing race, said it was from his DD Alfa, and we have been friends ever since, since I was driving my DD Giulia Sprint GT at the time.

Isn't it fun installing nice new clean parts?
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Well, bummer. The ordered seals came in the wrong size.

It's a bit odd. Both suppliers had seals that were seriously too large. This time I went to an old school auto parts store. And, I took the front hubs/rotors. They pulled out their calipers and books and found something that should fit. The book lists the seals as GTV6 rear seals!?

Unfortunately, I have to wait until Monday to collect them.


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Fiddling with torsion bars:









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I have to confess, even though I'm mildly ashamed to do so...Given that I want an Alfa, this year, that actually legally drives on the street, I stuck some parts and replacement parts in a bag and took them to a local shop to have them refurbished. Using an alias on the quote.

I know, I know, I can do it myself and save the $$, but time is a wasting.

Still, I feel a bit dirty
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You mind me asking where you came up with that adjuster for the torsion bars? I've seen a couple of them for sale, but it's a rare bird.

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You mind me asking where you came up with that adjuster for the torsion bars? I've seen a couple of them for sale, but it's a rare bird.


Yes they are, came from the U.K. Having a brain fart at the moment, I'll get you the info. Came from a Facebook group.


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That's ok.. just curious. I think that '84 was the last year for that detachable torsion bar carrier anyway. It's welded into the unit body on Mike's '86. I don't want to distract you from that rebuild, man!
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Missed the outside dimension of the front wheel bearing seal "by that much." Attempt number four coming up...

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Ahhhh, nope.

Time to stop relying on auto parts professionals, pull out the calipers and start looking through the Motion Industries catalog.

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Ahhhh, nope.

Time to stop relying on auto parts professionals, pull out the calipers and start looking through the Motion Industries catalog.
Read through this thread:

https://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/alf...heel-seal.html

I went through the same thing (but I only got the wrong seals once), but I cannot find the invoice with the correct part # (check the above thread, seems to have some correct part #s to cross-reference).

The front inner and outer wheel bearings themselves are the exact same part used on an early Porsche 911 or BMW 2002, so I had those on the shelf at my shop!
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Man, how did I miss that thread!!!

Thanks a bunch.

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1984 Maratona "Ran when parked..."

Just for future reference: (and I'm sure some of these will disappear over time)

(Edit: WARNING don't even think about ordering anything based on this post...keep reading...nothing to see here)

494117: https://www.summitracing.com/parts/a...CABEgJah_D_BwE

SKF 15850:

https://www.amazon.com/SKF-15850-Met...ype=automotive

and

Product Datasheet for 15850

No sense looking for the Akron PN, when you go to their site, they give you the SKF information:

SKF | Online Catalog | Handbook of Seals (457010) | Parts Lookup


Now to buy some and see what actually fits.

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I ordered the last two SKF's that the seller had. They are said to be "out of production".

I also ordered a couple of the 494117, they were out of stock but said to be shipped directly by the supplier. So we'll see what happens here.

Motion Industries catalog, no joy. Nothing quite makes it, and anything close is no longer in production.

I would suggest that if you plan to do this, you treat your old seals as if you have to reuse them. I did purchase a set of the "rear seals" for the GTV6 (apparently no such thing) when we measured things up at the NAPA store. They are just a scosh too small at the outside diameter, I considered sticking them in with some Locktite sleeve product.

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