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Really enjoying this thread!

First round with transaxle front suspension for me was out of necessity, as my driver side torsion bar had failed. Rusty car, and nothing (least of all torsion bars) came out without a fight.

Refreshed my newer Milano's front suspension this winter and it was a great experience. Torsion bars cam out (toward front) with three blows of a 4lb sledge on a 3/4" brass drift (after marking, of course). Bushings pressed out nicely, ball joints came out with a few whacks to the retaining stud.

Looking at your suspension and the lack of rust, I imagine it's going to be a pretty satisfying job. Extra points if you spray the LCAs and UCAs with some black satin Krylon for cosmetic purposes.
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I ended up with VHT chassis and roll bar paint. I wanted satin, but the McParts store only had gloss. Not my first choice, but availability was a first concern.


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I ended up with VHT chassis and roll bar paint. I wanted satin, but the McParts store only had gloss. Not my first choice, but availability was a first concern.


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Should look great. You won't want to put your wheels back on...except to drive

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Should look great. You won't want to put your wheels back on...except to drive


Boy, isn't that the truth!

Given the expiration of the permits, my need for speed has abated. Back to steady, deliberate progress.


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My anti-grime, anti-rust OCD is killing my schedule. Well that and the house AC quit, and the water well pressure switch started acting up. AC guy took several hours, and constantly wanted to show me why my 19 year-old system needed replacing...at cost several times more than the cumulative purchase cost of my 4 Alfa. LOL I can't have something like that cut into my parts budget!

Several parts sat overnight in a large basin of Supreme Clean. I rinsed them off and they are now sitting in Evaporust.




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Well that and the house AC quit, and the water well pressure switch started acting up. AC guy took several hours, and constantly wanted to show me why my 19 year-old system needed replacing...at cost several times more than the cumulative purchase cost of my 4 Alfa. LOL I can't have something like that cut into my parts budget!
I suppose that if I have to replace my 38 year old heat pump it could put a dent in my car hobby budget. The only time that I paid anyone to work on it was when the blower cage got loose in mid winter and I was out of the country. I believe that is the secret to reliability of these things - keep other people's hands out of it. And my well pump pressure switch is acting up too. Fortunately simple to replace.
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Total range of adjustment on TB, without moving splines. This illustrates the extremes, I'll try and fall in the middle.








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I'm mildly perturbed that the new upper ball joints do not come with mounting hardware. I'll have to make some with M8x1.25 10.9 bolts, cut and threaded so that the threads don't start until peeking out of the control arm. Secured with a couple of spot wields on top and red locktited stover nuts on the bottom.


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Secured with a couple of spot wields on top ...
Why the spot welds?

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Keep it from rattling free. I'm a belt AND suspenders kind of guy...and I don't want the tedium of drilling the hex and safety wiring. Old racing habits die hard.




Substantial trimming is required.


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I apologize, some of this is tedious minutiae for you guys, but it gives me a diary of what I was doing to look back on when I take a few days off.

The stover nuts are a bit thicker than the mock up nuts. I need to take that into consideration when I cut down the bolts.




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Well, the spring "breakage" season is upon us, and consumes my time.

Nevertheless, I've got a few pictures to share:



Brake pistons came out easily. Whew

I find the colored marking on the brake backing plate interesting.


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I'm mildly perturbed that the new upper ball joints do not come with mounting hardware. I'll have to make some with M8x1.25 10.9 bolts, cut and threaded so that the threads don't start until peeking out of the control arm. Secured with a couple of spot wields on top and red locktited stover nuts on the bottom.


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I really like the attention to detail here. And these transaxle suspensions are just fun to work on.

On my car, I just used prevailing torque nuts and a healthy torque spec on class 10.9 hardware. Might add cotter pins this weekend to be smart, but won't go as far as safty wiring / tack welding.

Curious here - is the bolt shoulder through the control arm really necessary given that the bolts won't be loaded in shear? I would think of them as more fit for a shear application or one in which there is relative motion. What was your reasoning behind it?

Looking forward to seeing the front suspension bolted up.

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I took Friday off, making the coming weekend 4 days off. Other than a couple of non-Alfa tasks (change the valve cover gasket and find out why the van is leaking coolant, and rewire the horse trailer electrical connection, yes they do get ground off when you let them bounce on the road!! ) I should be able to spend a bunch of time on the car. I'll see if I can start on the bushing replacement and painting of the passenger side front suspension this week.

The brake refurb is simple. I just need to control my desire to scrub every little bit of grime off the caliper...because that will lead to scratching the stock anodizing off...which will lead...another trip down the rabbit hole. LOL

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