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Well, I'm going to go all in and order the suspension parts on Monday.


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Parts ordered, time to tear out the front suspension. I'll pull everything apart, de-rust and paint. I hope everything turns up by Thursday or Friday.

The boss (that would be the lovely Donna) is having a horse show at the place on Saturday. So...I'll hide in the workshop and work at putting everything back together. I prefer to work with the doors open, but not on Saturday.

Looks like I'll miss the cars and coffee.

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Hey, Alfaparticle, Alfaloco, Del, et al...what is the best lubricant to use to keep the galvanic reaction between steel and aluminum at bay?
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"Hey, Alfaparticle, Alfaloco, Del, et al...what is the best lubricant to use to keep the galvanic reaction between steel and aluminum at bay?"

Well, there's good information out there in the boating and nautical community, Bob, but if you're talking about tight clearances, I rely on good old Anti-Seize compound, or at least Lubriplate. I think about any kind of lubricant will offer some degree of a barrier. Consider aluminum caliper bores with steel pistons, for example.

My 2 cents there...
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I just use antiseize compound where I think there might be a problem between say a steel bolt/stud and aluminum. Otherwise, I don't get concerned, don't consider it a problem in regions of the country where they don't use salt worth talking about. It takes salty water to complete the circuit so to speak. Many salts, such as sodium chloride, behave as electrolytes when dissolved in water. A dry joint won't have that.

And, pure water will not behave as an electrolyte, thus with only slightly acidic rain we have here in this area, not much goes on even when it rains all the time, lol. Moss/mold is more the problem. I do go through and spray WD-40 around, just in general, and wipe it down, just to keep surfaces from showing any degradation as well (probably doesn't do much, but it looks ok afterward).

Because your area has a fair amount of irrigation and hot weather, the soils do become acidic (some southern areas of the Central Valley are quite acidic and so contaminated with salts, many plants won't grow), and rain will cause runoff to be fairly acidic, so I've read. So, just use plenty of antiseize, just to be safe (of course it is not like the Midwest or east coast, where the ph of rain and soil is rather high in comparison, and tons of salt are used on the roads).
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"The boss (that would be the lovely Donna) is having a horse show at the place on Saturday. So...I'll hide in the workshop and work at putting everything back together. I prefer to work with the doors open, but not on Saturday."


I'm really torn between wanting to be your best friend or your wife's best friend...

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"The boss (that would be the lovely Donna) is having a horse show at the place on Saturday. So...I'll hide in the workshop and work at putting everything back together. I prefer to work with the doors open, but not on Saturday."





I'm really torn between wanting to be your best friend or your wife's best friend...


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Where is your concern, in the engine or somewhere else?

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Where is your concern, in the engine or somewhere else?


The adjustable torsion bar has a steel sleeve that rotates in an aluminum crossmember.


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Marine grease should be fine. You just want to keep out the moisture.
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I've been reading up on the front suspension overhaul, as well as various threads on lowering. It'll be interesting to see how difficult it is to get it dismantled. Looks like more than a few have had a difficult time. I budgeted a day for dismantling, but...

One thing I need to plan for is the potential to deal with excessive camber when the lowering occurs. I read one thread that advises that the lower a-arm stands need to be shortened by 1/8" in order to bring things back to the recommended -1/2 to -1 degree of camber. Is that correct? I plan to mill off the recommended amount and then have some shims to slide between the frame rail and the stand to adjust to spec.

As always, your advice is appreciated.

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PS: Parts are scheduled to be delivered Thursday. Looks like I'll take Friday off, again. Working at the same place for 20 years has certain advantages.

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"One thing I need to plan for is the potential to deal with excessive camber when the lowering occurs"

Never had a problem with that after we lowered the fronts of our Alfettas, GTV6s, and the Milano. The front is not lowered THAT much, ie, don't get carried away, lol. We just ran them for many thousands of miles with no adverse tire wear, etc, and handling was fine. Of course, for those cars we used the standard size tires, but I don't think your slightly wider tires will make a difference worth talking about. Just keep an eye on front toe for tire wear.
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I agree with Del. I have probably 30 to 40 cars over the whole range. On the stock bars anything more then one notch puts it on the ground. Never once did we grind on the spacers.

Are you replacing the lower a arm bushings?

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I agree with Del. I have probably 30 to 40 cars over the whole range. On the stock bars anything more then one notch puts it on the ground. Never once did we grind on the spacers.

Are you replacing the lower a arm bushings?


I'm doing the bushings, ball joints, tie rods and whatever else comes in Centerline's front suspension kit.

And the adjustable torsion bar mount.

What is your camber spec?

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