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Of course, we immediately tried to see if the transaxle would shift and the tires would spin. Not a success. The clutch is stuck engaged. Sooooo, time to hit the threads to find a potential solution short of tearing that apart.

Here is how I've done it in the past.
Jack stands under the rear of the car so the wheels can spin, start the car in first gear so the wheels spin, put the clutch in and and stand on the brakes. The engine torque should break the clutch disc free.

I've used this method 2 or 3 times and it has always worked for me.
This works usually. Another way is to start it in any gear (I use 4th) and let it run at say 2500 rpm for a while. Sometimes the engine vibrations alone will break it free.

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Great advice! I'll give it another go this weekend.


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A little penetrating oil, a bit of time, a little tappy tap tap, a bit of heat.

Repeat as necessary. Soon you have spare calipers and clutch to rebuild.

We have an excellent shop local, Capital Clutch and Brake, that I'll take the clutch to to get a quote to rebuild.


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This works usually. Another way is to start it in any gear (I use 4th) and let it run at say 2500 rpm for a while. Sometimes the engine vibrations alone will break it free.

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I've done this once or twice. I put the car up on 4 safe jackstands. Start the engine, put the gearbox in gear and rev the engine while braking with the clutch fully depressed at the same time ... something has to give, ie. the clutch.
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A little penetrating oil, a bit of time, a little tappy tap tap, a bit of heat.

Repeat as necessary. Soon you have spare calipers and clutch to rebuild.

We have an excellent shop local, Capital Clutch and Brake, that I'll take the clutch to to get a quote to rebuild.


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You going to rebuild that transaxle as well?

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I'll get a price to rebuild.

I just noticed that it's setup for isostatic, and my car is not. I wonder how hard it will be to adapt.

Three of the bolts were already rounded out, which explains their roughed up appearance. I'll have to modify my vice grip to be able to grab the head of the bolts, or perhaps cut them off.


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I'll get a price to rebuild.

I just noticed that it's setup for isostatic, and my car is not. I wonder how hard it will be to adapt.

Three of the bolts were already rounded out, which explains their roughed up appearance. I'll have to modify my vice grip to be able to grab the head of the bolts, or perhaps cut them off.


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The isostatic to early shift is easy, you just change the selector shaft. The speedometer sender and type will be different but it can be modified to work.



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Woohoo!!

Clutch is uncoupled! I'll throw a seat in it this afternoon and take for a trip around the barn.

Thanks for all the hints and tips.


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Twice around the barn, under its own power. Fantastic. I will need to go through the complete tune-up guide again and get everything properly set up. It has an intermittent miss that needs to be found, and I need to reset the idle, it's currently too high. Fans come on at a proper temp.

Fuel gauge, temperature and oil pressure gauges work. Tach does not. I should have figured that, given that every one of the mounting screws is missing. LOL, it never ends. We have a tach and speedometer shop here in the area, I may take it both to them to have them proofed.

The seating position is spot on, and the car is so easy to see out of. I'm thrilled.

I've got to figure out how to post videos here. I used to use photobucket, I guess I might need to setup a Youtube account.

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Clean the edge connectors at the back of the tach and verify that you have 12 volts going to it with the ignition on. The tach signal comes straight from the coil -ve.
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After reading a bunch of Tach related threads, this may be an easy fix. The needle is curled and touching the face of the gauge. And, per Alfaparticle, I'll check the connector.




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You beat me to it on the needle issue. If you wiggle the needle upward, away from the dial face with your fingernails so it doesn't touch, you can see if that's the problem. Needle doesn't need to be pushed on 100% to check functionality.

If that doesn't get it done, I should have a couple of used ones to offer.

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Somewhere here there is a thread about replacing bent needles with a hobby shop product, I've done mine, looks stock. Could send you some if you want. Also may have a tach or two if you're interested. Glad you got her going, you're doing a great job, much more patience than I have. Good job!
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