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post #46 of 54 (permalink) Old 04-13-2016, 12:53 PM
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Del.....the early alfetta sedans had sportier gear ratios compared to the later 78 onwards cars and that is why like yourself I enjoy the early cars best driving....but I do prefer the handling setup with stiffer fixed rate rear springs (the sedan came as standard with variable rate), 185 section tyres (standard was 165 section in europe anyway) and koni red shocks of the era....better suited to the car than koni sport or bilstein shocks for road use on mixed terrain; with this setup the car still glides over imperfections in the road but moves as a piece round bends with little roll in my experience ...of course proper setup of camber/toein and alignment also helps considerably
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The 78 Alfetta sedan we bought had so much caster, making the steering so very very heavy, that the owner was anxious to get rid of it, even though it was absolutely pristine with only 20k miles on it. I reduced the caster quite a bit until the steering was just fine, and we ended up putting 160k+miles more ourselves on that car. The car now lives a fine life south of Boston. We thought it one of Alfa's better cars. And, BTW, never had a problem with the SPICA.

Still, it just didn't have the verve of the 75.

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Del ...interesting about the caster on your previous 78 sedan...in europe the steering on the ones I tried was just fine but then again most cars then had no power steering in europe anyway. 160,000? some going....glad you enjoyed it in the end! I still like the early alfetta cars uasing the 1.8 engine with higher compression made to euro spec up until 1976 with twin carbs and tubular manifold and koni shocks...just felt nimbler and more responsive than later alfettas and also the later 75 although the 75 1.8 was excellent.

Yeah the spica equipped cars do not compare to the alfa 75 twinspark you got in the states unless you got the v6 of course.
Personally I tested the 75 twin spark in europe and was a very excellent car but did not inspire me like the early alfetta...maybe I tested one with not enough miles on it and it just needed running in. In fact the best 75 I drove was the one I do not think you got in the states...the 75 1.8 with twin carbs again but with different cams as standard ...higher lift inlet and lower lift exhaust.
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I think that on our 78, someone (the dealer?) had set the caster really high and that of course just loads up the steering, like having too much on a bicycle. Back it off and the effort reduces.

Yeah, I wish the 164s had the suspension of the Alfettas and GTV6/Milano instead of that strut stuff. Can do more adjusting of those suspensions.

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In 1978, I returned to Ok from spending about 6 months in Italy and was surprised to find a beautiful Holland Blue '75 Alfetta 2.0 sedan with the tan leather interior for sale not far from where I lived in OKC. I picked it up and was really in love. I was my first Alfa and it drove and sounded like a dream. My wife got speeding tickets in it more than once.

Though it had its problems, it always started regardless of the weather or temperature. A growing family necessitated the need for a station wagon, so I sold it to a friend who loved it as much as I did. One bitter cold winter, an icy street caused more damage than he wanted to repair. He sold it to someone and I lost track of it shortly after that.

If I could find another one, I'd "go back, Jack, and do it again"!

Let me know if there's one available

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Del ...interesting about the caster on your previous 78 sedan...in europe the steering on the ones I tried was just fine but then again most cars then had no power steering in europe anyway. 160,000? some going....glad you enjoyed it in the end! I still like the early alfetta cars uasing the 1.8 engine with higher compression made to euro spec up until 1976 with twin carbs and tubular manifold and koni shocks...just felt nimbler and more responsive than later alfettas and also the later 75 although the 75 1.8 was excellent.

Yeah the spica equipped cars do not compare to the alfa 75 twinspark you got in the states unless you got the v6 of course.
Personally I tested the 75 twin spark in europe and was a very excellent car but did not inspire me like the early alfetta...maybe I tested one with not enough miles on it and it just needed running in. In fact the best 75 I drove was the one I do not think you got in the states...the 75 1.8 with twin carbs again but with different cams as standard ...higher lift inlet and lower lift exhaust.
Agreed re. the 1.8 75. Great car, Alfetta sedan drive in a 75 body. Which isn't surprising given it was an early Alfetta in a 75 body. Same drive train, same suspension, same brakes, same steering. My dad had in in NZ for a few years.

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Aggie/Alister....yeah glad you agree about the 75 1.8...form my research Alfa Romeo built the 75 on the platform (revised) of the giulietta 116 since there was no money for a new one, and the giulietta 116 platform was a revision of the original alfetta platform of 1972, the last true new 100% ALfa Romeo platform overseen by Satta and Busso...the later 164 was compromised by fwd to satisfy Saab.
However in the uk BMW's 3 series evolved and kept their four headlamp car (from previous generations) and classical dashboard with round dials and as one magazine said exterior body shape and interior dashboard sell cars, combined with a good dealer network. For all the superior driving of the 75 over the BMW its body shape was not attractive to many and its dashboard likewise and the not as good dealer support....they should have kept the four headlamp design of the original alfetta and its classical dashboard also in my opinion. For all that the 75 was the last Alfa Alfa ...and very expensive to produce but alfa could not charge Porsche money for them so they were losing money on every one built...anyway better for us enthusiasts who are getting superior engineering for little money as the alfetta and 75 are underrated by people and drive superior to giulias (gearchange aside).

Anyhow Alfetta sedans are unique like no other sedan of its era in having a basically 1950's race car platform with a 4 door body on top; low unsprung weight compared to previous giulia and all other sedans due to torsion bars up front and de dion axle at back with inboard rear brakes and a 50/50 weight split due to engine front and gearbox rear.

I hope the upcoming large saloon by FCA as the next sedan above the new giulia range...reportedly in the press "alfetta" will have a front engine and rear gearbox anyhow,
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Good morning - bringing this sleeping thread back to let you all know that my circumstances have changed and I am unfortunately not going to be able to buy this car. IT recently passed CA SMOG and runs / drive pretty well with the shift linkage needing some tightening up.

PM me if you are interested in it, told the seller I'd let people here know it was available in the hopes of finding a good home. No financial interest, just want to say thank you by posting here.
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Good morning - bringing this sleeping thread back to let you all know that my circumstances have changed and I am unfortunately not going to be able to buy this car. IT recently passed CA SMOG and runs / drive pretty well with the shift linkage needing some tightening up.

PM me if you are interested in it, told the seller I'd let people here know it was available in the hopes of finding a good home. No financial interest, just want to say thank you by posting here.
Do you have a link to photos and more info?
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