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Petrolicious?????

Petrolicious website are now wanting to charge a membership fee to view their exclusive articles?

I’ve deleted them from my ‘Favourites’ and will go to Speedhunters.com for my car news

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Free content, get you hooked first, then introduce merch........ including silly coffee.
Then still can’t make business plan work, so charge membership.

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Free content, get you hooked first, then introduce merch........ including silly coffee.
Then still can’t make business plan work, so charge membership.
Or sell your so-called private data and metadata. I'm sure some are on the verge of forming PACs or SuperPACs.
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The whole Petrolicious gig has always struck me as being a bit shallow. Maybe this is just my own bias showing, but when you have people who can't work on cars producing car-oriented shows it just seems that content suffers. My British neighbor has a great phrase for this: "Too precious".

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The whole Petrolicious gig has always struck me as being a bit shallow. Maybe this is just my own bias showing, but when you have people who can't work on cars producing car-oriented shows it just seems that content suffers.
Funny this conversation is taking place this week. Petrolicious latest edition had an article that really illustrates 180OUT's point; it's about a beautiful early 70's squaretail that Petrolicious calls a "Duetto": https://petrolicious.com/articles/ch...eid=89a7b43640

I rarely add my comments to articles like this, but calling a coda tronca a "Duetto" really set me off. Here's the reply the article's author posted:

On my instagram feed, I apologized for the misunderstanding happened. In Italy, we usually call “Duetto” the whole series of Alfa Romeo spiders and for this, mistakenly, I felt to give this opening to the article. Should not have done, considering how much this could have damaged my image and my professionalism in this world.

What amazed me was that no one else called the author on his gaffe. All the other comments were of the form "oh, what a wonderful article". Well, it was a nice article (and a beautiful spider) but getting the car's model name wrong just destroyed it for me.

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Well he could have spelled A-L-P-H-A for Alfa and R-O-D-E-O for Romeo. I've actually seen that happen.

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Funny this conversation is taking place this week. Petrolicious latest edition had an article that really illustrates 180OUT's point; it's about a beautiful early 70's squaretail that Petrolicious calls a "Duetto": https://petrolicious.com/articles/ch...eid=89a7b43640

I rarely add my comments to articles like this, but calling a coda tronca a "Duetto" really set me off. Here's the reply the article's author posted:

On my instagram feed, I apologized for the misunderstanding happened. In Italy, we usually call “Duetto” the whole series of Alfa Romeo spiders and for this, mistakenly, I felt to give this opening to the article. Should not have done, considering how much this could have damaged my image and my professionalism in this world.

What amazed me was that no one else called the author on his gaffe. All the other comments were of the form "oh, what a wonderful article". Well, it was a nice article (and a beautiful spider) but getting the car's model name wrong just destroyed it for me.
Jay, Euros have a slightly different vernacular for Alfas, be it accurate or not: any Giulia sedan is affectionaetly a "Giulia", any GTV is a "Bertone", and any 101/115 spider is a "duetto". We pick nits here on a duetto not being a 1750 but it being a "roundtail"/"boat tail" or 1750 Spider (techncally a 1750 Spider Veloce).
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Dont get this post at all, not like they are discontinuing their free stuff, just trying to get membership money for added content
It costs money to make a movie n post it and I enjoy them and have enjoyed them for free since they started.
why give them **** for trying to offset costs? Seems shallow
n yea, some of it is off a little, but you get what you pay for.
Sounds like even thats too much for some of you.
cut em some slack

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Jay, Euros have a slightly different vernacular for Alfas, be it accurate or not: any Giulia sedan is affectionaetly a "Giulia", any GTV is a "Bertone", and any 101/115 spider is a "duetto". We pick nits here on a duetto not being a 1750 but it being a "roundtail"/"boat tail" or 1750 Spider (techncally a 1750 Spider Veloce).
OK, I've learned something.

Still, Google tells me that the word "vernacular" means: the language or dialect spoken by the ordinary people. I'd be OK with an non-car guy calling a squaretail Alfa a Duetto, but I expect an automotive journalist to adhere to a higher standard.

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an as a moderator, you should be held to a higher standard.
should of stopped at "OK, I learned something."

come on guys lighten up
Alfas are for fun, right?
take a deep breath n let it go

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I have always enjoyed the content and writing. They do reach a larger audience than just the Alfa community, and they have many times provided more exposure to outsiders about Alfa’s.

I would guess that the demographics of their readers are a younger audience. I’m 51 and find it interesting, and I have many 30 something friends that do follow them. How many 20-30 yr olds read about alfa’s? Not as many as we would like...

We all need to support the younger generation keeping the history alive. In the world of Video games, if a format provides more exposure to the car community it’s a good thing. I have shown their videos many times to my 9 yr old and he loves them. He is upstairs playing videos games right now and my 3 yr old is watching Paw Patrol. Anything we can do to keep them involved in the passion we have helps. If that means some “fluff” so be it. We are in an entertainment world and I think they do a great job.

Having said all that, I won’t pay any extra. That is a business decision they have to make.

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A number of years ago a story appeared about a young boy who was a piano prodigy. Something in his life happened and he spent decades in mental institutions---until someone discovered that he wasn't properly diagnosed and should not have spent a good portion of his life confined. On being released, he returned to playing the piano and even went on a world tour. The only problem was that he wasn't very good. Still, he continued giving performances until, finally, a critic made a fair, but very critical review of his playing.

When Petrolicious presents a video it is presenting a public performance which, in turn, invites critical comments both good and bad. While, like our hapless classical pianist, we can praise the fact that the videos are being made and are out there to be viewed, but there comes a time when its also time to say---perhaps because the producers of the videos lack the kind of in-depth knowledge we might expect to be present---that the content is ephemeral and lacking in substance. That said, I hope there's a place in the on-line marketplace for Petrolicious subscribed content. I just don't intend to be there.

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It is apparent that many flash-sounding (Romance language, remember) Italian everyday words are adopted as a name for a particular thing, taken by the rest of us as a An Official Name.
In the Alfa world, witness (and my translations are amateurish and loose), such things like:
Strata - street
Corsa - track
Duetto - duet or duo/due (two)
Berlina - sedan
Berlinetta - small sedan
Veloce - speedy/fast

It's no surprise at all that locally, duetto is more broadly used to describe something than what WE have adopted as a bona-fide name for just a single model.

Bikes, too : Ducati Multistrada....guess what that means...?
Sounds much better to my ears than Audi's 'Allroad'.

I'm with the sentiment that the author shouldn't be nailed to the wall for speaking/writing like he would do in his own country.
I hear what 180out says about depth.
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And the ever famous: "scalino" - fish scale - for a stepnose. A "Bertone" is either a scalino or not. And a "not" is either a series 1 or 2. It's just the locals/vernacular jargon.

Or the infamous - "ossodiseppia" - cuttlefish bone (cuttlebone) reserved only for roundtail "duettos".
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