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post #1 of 42 (permalink) Old 03-01-2007, 06:01 AM Thread Starter
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What about this '70s prototype JuniorZ Periscopio... far from Museo Storico, in Padova at the Zagato Car Club meeting last october. Suspensions from Alfetta (rear De Dion Axle), rear transverse 2000 engine, specific gearbox. Very poor information on the net.
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post #2 of 42 (permalink) Old 03-01-2007, 06:11 AM
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The car seems to have an optional cardboard option

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It seems to me that the engine of this Junior Z is in the middle.
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post #4 of 42 (permalink) Old 03-01-2007, 09:15 AM
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It's indeed the Scarabeo 3. As the original Scarabeo, it has a transverse engine on top of the rear axle, but in this case with an Alfetta De Dion rear suspension, and an angled gearbox. The engine is on the other side compared to the 1966 Scarabeo.

The car was developped by Giuseppe Busso, and indeed the Junior Z body is more a camouflage than an intent to produce an alternative Junior Z.

I has been extensively described by Busso in an article published on Ruoteclassiche, not the reference at hand.
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If it was developed, I think it would have done very well in rally racing....but I guess FIAT "corporate" decided to go with the Fulvias instead...

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Appears similar to this Sprint with Ferrari engine.

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If it was developed, I think it would have done very well in rally racing....but I guess FIAT "corporate" decided to go with the Fulvias instead...
Wake up Stu, and have a coffee before posting... The Scarabeo 3 is a 1973-74 project, Fiat bought Alfa in late 1986...

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I wonder what putting that engine in the back did for the weight distribution?!
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I wonder what putting that engine in the back did for the weight distribution?!
Rear-biased of course. But the idea behind the first Scarabeo was mainly to move aft the driver's position, supposedly, following Nuvolari's and Sanesi's theories on car control, to help prevnting and controlling oversteer. Remember the experiment with a modified 159 in 1952, whose driving position had been moved behind the rear axle.

The Scarabeos 2 and 3 then reverted to a standard driving position.
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I would like to bring up the question if the Periscopio isn't "Scarabeo 4".

There is no doubt about the first and second Scarabeo, but wasn't there also a Spyder version? (See Het KB#53 p70)

If so we would have to call it Scarabeo 4.

Btw, I somewhere learned that Bruno Bonini, the former curator of the Alfa museum found the abandonned Periscopio hidden somewhere in a corner. He then saved it from being wrecked, restored it and finally it ended in the museum

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This thread has been very interesting for me. I saw the car in the Alfa Museum in 1991 and had no idea what it was. Now I know!

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If so we would have to call it Scarabeo 4.
I reckon it would make sense, but I seem to remember that in his article Busso called it Scarabeo 3. I think that two of the earlier were mechanically identical, and from that point of view this is the third distinct version. I have to check back Busso's writing.
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Wake up Stu, and have a coffee before posting... The Scarabeo 3 is a 1973-74 project, Fiat bought Alfa in late 1986...

Yes, I understand, but what then do you thnk was the reason the Scarabeo wasn't developed into a rally car?
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Yes, I understand, but what then do you thnk was the reason the Scarabeo wasn't developed into a rally car?
'cause it was just a personal idea Busso as allowed to develop without any real scope.
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