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post #1 of 15 (permalink) Old 03-22-2019, 08:28 AM Thread Starter
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GT Junior Glove box tumbler retainer

Anyone have a GT Junior glove box tumbler retainer? I have the tumbler, but not the piece that holds it in its place.
The car is a 71 GT junior 1300
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What does it look like? In some cases, it's just a screw.

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That is a great question. I honestly don't know what the original looked like.
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It's usually a small, notched piece of metal. Is there a groove at the back of your tumbler? I had one laying around, can't seem to find it now. Would be easy to make if that's the case. The alternative is a screw at the back of the tumbler that holds the latch mechanism in place.
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Anyone have a GT Junior glove box tumbler retainer? I have the tumbler, but not the piece that holds it in its place.
The car is a 71 GT junior 1300
How about a picture of what you have sowe daj better understand what you don't have.

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Here is some pix of what i have.
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Iíve something from 1750 Berlina, see itís the same lock
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Iíve something from 1750 Berlina, see itís the same lock

Where exactly does that go?
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You might have to bite the bullet.. Mine had a homemade brass button and I replaced it with this. The seller might have more. https://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/alf...n-key-nos.html


I can't recall how the button is held in the housing ... just switched it out and never looked back.
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Do you see this brass button. Check the possibility that if you insert the tumbler in the correct orientation and then push in that brass button that that will engage the tumbler somehow and keep it from coming out.

Once in I wonder how you would ever get the tumbler out again. So be carefull

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@longlivekel, Pretty sure I have those new with the key... send me your email in PM and I will send along a photo of what I have.
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Interesting puzzle.. I tripped on the baggy that had the one from my car, I purchase in itly.......The PO turned a new brass button on a lathe and drilled a slotted hole in it and inserted a retainer pin to hold the button in. The slotted hole allowed for him to push it in against the spring. I think the body of the door kept this pin in place. It was a Rube Goldberg deal.

My thinking is mine and yours lost some sort of metal sleeve inside the plastic body as there is no trace of where the lock tumbers would go when they are extended from the neutral position in mine or yours. The rectangular piece in Ken's photo on #10 is probably the retainer fitting in that hole that keeps this unknown sleeve inside the barrel of the housing from coming out .. but it did in your case and mine.. I just think there is a 2 cent piece missing that makes the whole assembly work. My last photo is an example of the lock tumbler sleeve from some other lock application on an Alfa. It's much too stout or your application but you get the idea,..... Also interestin is the spring loaded latch is off-set from dead center.. The makers did that for a reason we will not know.
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The Answer

OK I was correct. The brass pin holds the tumbler cylinder in the housing and more.

Here's how it works. The tumbler has a pin on the back side on its circumference.
The tumbler also has a slot in the plastic housing to receive the rectangular brass pin I mentioned above. The plastic housing also has 2 slots in it to receive the lock's pins.

When assembled the brass key holds the plastic tumbler housing in place and provides a key in the slot in the housing so it can move in and out without rotating. When unlocked the pin on the end of the tumbler is at the bottom and engages and pushes the latch. When the tumbler is locked the pin is rotated to the top as the tumbler rotates inside its plastic housing and there is now nothing to push the latch.

first pic the pin
second pic the slot
third pic the lock's pins
fourth pic the latch inside

Also refer to pics in earlier posts.

The next puzzle is how to get the unit apart if need be.
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So Longliv, did you get it fixed??

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Fixed the issue.
There was a fracture in the housing which caused the locking pin to fall out. The pin was found in the glove box. After using epoxy to seal the fracture and placing the pin back in place, all is working!
Thanks everyone!
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