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NOS piston ring. 2300 FNM Rio

One set 4 items for Compress ring and one set, 4 items, for 0il Cntrl ring : total $ 60,- + shipping ( I've x 4 )

OE 102.12.02.301.04/ ----302.05
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i have a set of NOS Borgo pistons and liners for a model 101 veloce engine 1300. i do not have the rings for them. if your rings are appropriate for this set I'll buy them. let me know.
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i have a set of NOS Borgo pistons and liners for a model 101 veloce engine 1300. i do not have the rings for them. if your rings are appropriate for this set I'll buy them. let me know.
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Iím not sure they fit together , maybe one can answer that, thanks.
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Highly doubtful.

The 2300 bore is somewhere around 88mm, I think. The 1300 is what? 74mm?

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Past Alfas...
59 102 Touring (first Alfa $500 running)
65 Sprint GT (2nd Alfa, $500 daily driver)
102 Sprint (never did anything with it, but wish I had)
74 Berlina (first new car - now certainly rusted into oblivion)
61 Giulietta Spider G-Prod Race Car (where is it now?)
84 Spider Veloce (rarely drove it, so sold it)
86 Quadrifoglio (Dull car - no more 115s for me)
1971 Montreal "The Full Monty". Fair winds and following seas

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Oops. Add to the "present" list, 10204 01488, 2000 Touring Roadster project

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Two 1946 Stampe SV4C (c/n 294 "Rocinante" - wife's favorite airplane. RIP), and c/n 235 "La Bon Temps Femme" (gone to a new home, but never forgotten)
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1955 Cessna 170B (wife taught me to fly tailwheel in this)

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Newest in the fleet
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Will they fit 1600 Borgo veloce pistons?


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Pino... and others.

Doing your homework isn’t hard.

There are very, very few times you’ll find piston rings that fit two entirely different engines. I know a few, but there aren’t many.

Even if you identified a set with the right bore and ring thickness, there’s a half dozen other elements that may make it a poor choice. Waste of time and money to try.

Don P
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Past Alfas...
59 102 Touring (first Alfa $500 running)
65 Sprint GT (2nd Alfa, $500 daily driver)
102 Sprint (never did anything with it, but wish I had)
74 Berlina (first new car - now certainly rusted into oblivion)
61 Giulietta Spider G-Prod Race Car (where is it now?)
84 Spider Veloce (rarely drove it, so sold it)
86 Quadrifoglio (Dull car - no more 115s for me)
1971 Montreal "The Full Monty". Fair winds and following seas

Current Alfas
59 102 Touring Roadster - restoration complete, enough Alfa for any rational man. Or irrational, for that matter
Oops. Add to the "present" list, 10204 01488, 2000 Touring Roadster project

And past...
Two 1946 Stampe SV4C (c/n 294 "Rocinante" - wife's favorite airplane. RIP), and c/n 235 "La Bon Temps Femme" (gone to a new home, but never forgotten)
Zlin 50LA (+9 -6 gees, titanium spar, 1200 lbs, 260HP rumored to now be in Brazil)
1946 Luscombe 8A
Starduster Too (recently spotted at the Nevada City, CA airport - over 20 years and an entire continent separating it from our stewardship in Binghamton, NY)
1955 Cessna 170B (wife taught me to fly tailwheel in this)

And present...
64 Mooney M20E ("Rambo". My faithful steed for over 40 years) Over 55 years old, and just returned from a trip to Argentina in him
Newest in the fleet
1967 Piper Super Cub on Wipline amphibious floats (a true "all terrain vehicle")
2010 Triumph Thunderbird


You can snap roll an Alfa only one time...
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Pino... and others.

Doing your homework isnít hard.

There are very, very few times youíll find piston rings that fit two entirely different engines. I know a few, but there arenít many.

Even if you identified a set with the right bore and ring thickness, thereís a half dozen other elements that may make it a poor choice. Waste of time and money to try.


Thank you for the advice, I have a set of new borgo 101 veloce pistons and unfortunately moisture got to them and the rings have rust on them. Do you know if I can get new rings or how I can solve this problem.

Thanks


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I would...

A) measure the diameter of the pistons and the liners they are intended to fit.
B) measure the ring widths and depths.
C) Refer to various technical manuals to confirm which ring set I needed
D) Contact your favorite vendors to see if they have any in stock.

Although Borgo was likely an original-equipment vendor, they also made non-standard pistons for these cars such as for racing. The standard rings listed in catalogs may work, but a thorough technician confirms what they need before ordering the parts.

Don P
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Past Alfas...
59 102 Touring (first Alfa $500 running)
65 Sprint GT (2nd Alfa, $500 daily driver)
102 Sprint (never did anything with it, but wish I had)
74 Berlina (first new car - now certainly rusted into oblivion)
61 Giulietta Spider G-Prod Race Car (where is it now?)
84 Spider Veloce (rarely drove it, so sold it)
86 Quadrifoglio (Dull car - no more 115s for me)
1971 Montreal "The Full Monty". Fair winds and following seas

Current Alfas
59 102 Touring Roadster - restoration complete, enough Alfa for any rational man. Or irrational, for that matter
Oops. Add to the "present" list, 10204 01488, 2000 Touring Roadster project

And past...
Two 1946 Stampe SV4C (c/n 294 "Rocinante" - wife's favorite airplane. RIP), and c/n 235 "La Bon Temps Femme" (gone to a new home, but never forgotten)
Zlin 50LA (+9 -6 gees, titanium spar, 1200 lbs, 260HP rumored to now be in Brazil)
1946 Luscombe 8A
Starduster Too (recently spotted at the Nevada City, CA airport - over 20 years and an entire continent separating it from our stewardship in Binghamton, NY)
1955 Cessna 170B (wife taught me to fly tailwheel in this)

And present...
64 Mooney M20E ("Rambo". My faithful steed for over 40 years) Over 55 years old, and just returned from a trip to Argentina in him
Newest in the fleet
1967 Piper Super Cub on Wipline amphibious floats (a true "all terrain vehicle")
2010 Triumph Thunderbird


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Hi hjjensen,

These rings won't fit 1300 cc nor 1600 cc.

Hi Pino f and all,

The set you have are those pistons for the GIULIA SPIDER VELOCE and GIULIA SS ? 1600cc ?
Do you have the liners going with the set?
As already said by Don, the pistons should be measured to see what diameter they have.
Therefor you should measure them at an angle of 90į regarding to the bore of the piston pin and at about 12 mm from the underside of the piston.
Standard 78 mm ( = 77.91mm to 77.94 mm)
Have also a look on the original box, often there is some indication about the piston size on the box.
In case that you have no liners in your set, check whether there is a painted spot on the piston: blue, rose or green? Indicating the exact diameter class of pistons and liners.
According to that class (colour of the spot), liners should be bored. This can be found in the technical characteristics manual of the car.
About the piston rings for the 1600 cc:
There are 3 rings , the upper compression ring ( on the top of the piston), intermediate compression ring and the oil scraper ring (under).
The scraper ring is always approx. 4 mm thick .
The intermediate compression ring is approx 1.75 mm thick.
The upper compression ring can be or 1.5 mm or 1.75 mm .
That you should measure and keep in mind when ordering the ring set.
If your piston set is indeed for the Giulia 1600 veloce you probably will find the 1.50 mm thickness on that ring. Maybe you can let us know.
There are also oversize rings for in case your pistons are oversize. That is why you have to know whether the pistons are standard or not in the first place.

Hope this will help,
Rgds,

Thierry
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Hi hjjensen,



These rings won't fit 1300 cc nor 1600 cc.



Hi Pino f and all,



The set you have are those pistons for the GIULIA SPIDER VELOCE and GIULIA SS ? 1600cc ?

Do you have the liners going with the set?

As already said by Don, the pistons should be measured to see what diameter they have.

Therefor you should measure them at an angle of 90į regarding to the bore of the piston pin and at about 12 mm from the underside of the piston.

Standard 78 mm ( = 77.91mm to 77.94 mm)

Have also a look on the original box, often there is some indication about the piston size on the box.

In case that you have no liners in your set, check whether there is a painted spot on the piston: blue, rose or green? Indicating the exact diameter class of pistons and liners.

According to that class (colour of the spot), liners should be bored. This can be found in the technical characteristics manual of the car.

About the piston rings for the 1600 cc:

There are 3 rings , the upper compression ring ( on the top of the piston), intermediate compression ring and the oil scraper ring (under).

The scraper ring is always approx. 4 mm thick .

The intermediate compression ring is approx 1.75 mm thick.

The upper compression ring can be or 1.5 mm or 1.75 mm .

That you should measure and keep in mind when ordering the ring set.

If your piston set is indeed for the Giulia 1600 veloce you probably will find the 1.50 mm thickness on that ring. Maybe you can let us know.

There are also oversize rings for in case your pistons are oversize. That is why you have to know whether the pistons are standard or not in the first place.



Hope this will help,

Rgds,



Thierry


Hi, yes they are original borgo pistons and liners for a 1600 Giulia Veloce.
I also have the rings that they came with them.

Thanks
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