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post #1 of 15 (permalink) Old 03-18-2019, 05:18 AM Thread Starter
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Engine stand for Montreal

I currently have 2 Monti engines, and I am looking for plans for an engine stand.

Everyone here have seen Edgar Bortolini YouTube video. Does anyone have plans laying aroun for a similar stand? I am not able to contact him here on the forum, as I am a new user.

His stands seems nearly perfect for both testing and engine work.

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I built a very workable stand from two Harbor Freight stands. You can find a complete pictorial guide in my “Full Monty” BB thread.

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Past Alfas...
59 102 Touring (first Alfa $500 running)
65 Sprint GT (2nd Alfa, $500 daily driver)
102 Sprint (never did anything with it, but wish I had)
74 Berlina (first new car - now certainly rusted into oblivion)
61 Giulietta Spider G-Prod Race Car (where is it now?)
84 Spider Veloce (rarely drove it, so sold it)
86 Quadrifoglio (Dull car - no more 115s for me)
1971 Montreal "The Full Monty". Fair winds and following seas

Current Alfas
59 102 Touring Roadster - restoration complete, enough Alfa for any rational man. Or irrational, for that matter
Oops. Add to the "present" list, 10204 01488, 2000 Touring Roadster project

And past...
Two 1946 Stampe SV4C (c/n 294 "Rocinante" - wife's favorite airplane. RIP), and c/n 235 "La Bon Temps Femme" (gone to a new home, but never forgotten)
Zlin 50LA (+9 -6 gees, titanium spar, 1200 lbs, 260HP rumored to now be in Brazil)
1946 Luscombe 8A
Starduster Too (recently spotted at the Nevada City, CA airport - over 20 years and an entire continent separating it from our stewardship in Binghamton, NY)
1955 Cessna 170B (wife taught me to fly tailwheel in this)

And present...
64 Mooney M20E ("Rambo". My faithful steed for over 40 years) Over 55 years old, and just returned from a trip to Argentina in him
Newest in the fleet
1967 Piper Super Cub on Wipline amphibious floats (a true "all terrain vehicle")
2010 Triumph Thunderbird


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Hi Dhjelm,

My "tedesco" mechanic has the credits for that stand, built 40 years ago for the brazilian FNM JK and 2300 engines. Here is the youtube link:
during the first Montreal engine fireup.

I did provide to Alfa2go a draft hand sketch and I believe he developed a nice quality CAD drawing. You can PM him here at the CP panel.

The stand is very stable and has a support for the gearbox and battery. You will be able to get full throat. Very easy and clean to work around the engine w/o the risk to damage the car paint.

It´s a nice DIY project. You can redesign it in a way you can disassembly and storage. Have fun.
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The stand I built wasn’t for running. It was for building, and allows the engine to be rotated 360 degrees for easy assembly of the bottom and top of the engine.

Don P
Carson City, NV

Past Alfas...
59 102 Touring (first Alfa $500 running)
65 Sprint GT (2nd Alfa, $500 daily driver)
102 Sprint (never did anything with it, but wish I had)
74 Berlina (first new car - now certainly rusted into oblivion)
61 Giulietta Spider G-Prod Race Car (where is it now?)
84 Spider Veloce (rarely drove it, so sold it)
86 Quadrifoglio (Dull car - no more 115s for me)
1971 Montreal "The Full Monty". Fair winds and following seas

Current Alfas
59 102 Touring Roadster - restoration complete, enough Alfa for any rational man. Or irrational, for that matter
Oops. Add to the "present" list, 10204 01488, 2000 Touring Roadster project

And past...
Two 1946 Stampe SV4C (c/n 294 "Rocinante" - wife's favorite airplane. RIP), and c/n 235 "La Bon Temps Femme" (gone to a new home, but never forgotten)
Zlin 50LA (+9 -6 gees, titanium spar, 1200 lbs, 260HP rumored to now be in Brazil)
1946 Luscombe 8A
Starduster Too (recently spotted at the Nevada City, CA airport - over 20 years and an entire continent separating it from our stewardship in Binghamton, NY)
1955 Cessna 170B (wife taught me to fly tailwheel in this)

And present...
64 Mooney M20E ("Rambo". My faithful steed for over 40 years) Over 55 years old, and just returned from a trip to Argentina in him
Newest in the fleet
1967 Piper Super Cub on Wipline amphibious floats (a true "all terrain vehicle")
2010 Triumph Thunderbird


You can snap roll an Alfa only one time...
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Mr. Bortolini! Thank you for that!

And from I see it rotates 360? From the look of it, it seem more functionable than most stand for sale. Only missing a gear rotation device!

(I sometimes work in Brazil. Usually I fly to Rio, or Vitoria) I’d like to see your toys some day.

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You sold your Monty Peterson? I known about your car for some time. I was considering copying the Alcantara dash board. But my “purist-advisors” are against it due to the good condition of the current dash. Maybe I do it on the next project. It looks great!

Solid “full Monty” thread by the way. Too much to read in one go, but I assume I fill find some answers in there somewhere for most issues.

How is/was the electronic injection? And issues worth mentioning? (I plan to experiment a bit on one of the engines)

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Yes, it rotates 360 in one axis. No gearbox work is allowed in this stand. In the next trip please PM me.
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Yes, it rotates 360 in one axis. No gearbox work is allowed in this stand. In the next trip please PM me.
I will Sir!

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You must be thinking of a different car than mine. I did not have an Alcantara dash or electronic injection.

I cannot see how the pictured stand allows the engine to be upside down. Among other things, the stand appears to be more narrow than the engine, so how could the heads and exhaust fit between the structure?

here is a picture of my stand stored outside with other hardware.


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You sold your Monty Peterson? I known about your car for some time. I was considering copying the Alcantara dash board. But my “purist-advisors” are against it due to the good condition of the current dash. Maybe I do it on the next project. It looks great!

Solid “full Monty” thread by the way. Too much to read in one go, but I assume I fill find some answers in there somewhere for most issues.

How is/was the electronic injection? And issues worth mentioning? (I plan to experiment a bit on one of the engines)
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Carson City, NV

Past Alfas...
59 102 Touring (first Alfa $500 running)
65 Sprint GT (2nd Alfa, $500 daily driver)
102 Sprint (never did anything with it, but wish I had)
74 Berlina (first new car - now certainly rusted into oblivion)
61 Giulietta Spider G-Prod Race Car (where is it now?)
84 Spider Veloce (rarely drove it, so sold it)
86 Quadrifoglio (Dull car - no more 115s for me)
1971 Montreal "The Full Monty". Fair winds and following seas

Current Alfas
59 102 Touring Roadster - restoration complete, enough Alfa for any rational man. Or irrational, for that matter
Oops. Add to the "present" list, 10204 01488, 2000 Touring Roadster project

And past...
Two 1946 Stampe SV4C (c/n 294 "Rocinante" - wife's favorite airplane. RIP), and c/n 235 "La Bon Temps Femme" (gone to a new home, but never forgotten)
Zlin 50LA (+9 -6 gees, titanium spar, 1200 lbs, 260HP rumored to now be in Brazil)
1946 Luscombe 8A
Starduster Too (recently spotted at the Nevada City, CA airport - over 20 years and an entire continent separating it from our stewardship in Binghamton, NY)
1955 Cessna 170B (wife taught me to fly tailwheel in this)

And present...
64 Mooney M20E ("Rambo". My faithful steed for over 40 years) Over 55 years old, and just returned from a trip to Argentina in him
Newest in the fleet
1967 Piper Super Cub on Wipline amphibious floats (a true "all terrain vehicle")
2010 Triumph Thunderbird


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You must be thinking of a different car than mine. I did not have an Alcantara dash or electronic injection.

I cannot see how the pictured stand allows the engine to be upside down. Among other things, the stand appears to be more narrow than the engine, so how could the heads and exhaust fit between the structure?

here is a picture of my stand stored outside with other hardware.


OK, my mistake. Somehow I got the cars mixed up.

Looking at the drawing it seem very doable to rotate the engine. On picture I see the same as you mentioned though. Still a DIY that can be perfected without too much money wasted.

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When the engine is fully assembled, with the front radiator, oil and water tank, gas, battery, instruments, cables, gearbox and exhaust and....running, you can not move it! No rotation!
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When the engine is fully assembled, with the front radiator, oil and water tank, gas, battery, instruments, cables, gearbox and exhaust and....running, you can not move it! No rotation!
Thought I run it upside down

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I did provide to Alfa2go a draft hand sketch and I believe he developed a nice quality CAD drawing. You can PM him here at the CP panel.
Hey Ed, Don't think I got around to dimensioning any drawings but I could whip up a draft pretty quickly if needed. Did a quick 3D of it but got distracted as usual. Squirrel!
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Welcome Derek. I will appreciate so much if you complete the CAD drawing. Now you are in touch with Dhjelm.
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I will post a picture as soon as my stand is done. Right now I have what I need to get started (except time!)
Going to work in a few weeks time (Brazil actually) So I can start my production already there. Free material

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