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There are two sides to every coin, Acalex. I can see both sides and I don't believe any one side can judge the other. Personally I'm on your side, but that doesn't make it right.
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..... not sure it's a $190K car..... you have to look at the global price average (price of cars sold- not advertised price), and you can buy as good or better across Europe for a lot less.
Looks like we are at $169K now. The global prices are steady if not on a slight decline for all classic cars over the last 3-6 months. He may have missed the peak for now. I have been looking for a Montreal for a while and this is $110-$125K car in my estimates.

Similarly, the 105 coupes are holding steady for now. Spiders seem to be up and down, all over the place.
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John in Brisbane sold his green one for $139AUD (US$100) last July. I thought that was over-priced. My guess is that the one on Carsales will go for less that $100AUD.
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Spot on!! I was using the green one as a benchmark!! I wanted that one but missed out.... sold real quick!!

Will be following this red one with interest!
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Apparently the green one was listed at 9:00am on a Sunday for $139 and was gone by 12:00 noon the same day. Don't forget that there were only 180 RHD cars made, and there will never be any more allowed into Australia. So supply and demand is on the side of sellers. Even so, $100 is about where I think the maximum price should be, especially with a likely recession on our doorstep.
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Well I have heard quite a few people were keen on Greenie, so it’s quite possible it could have sold for a tad more. RHD in a great colour will always demand more. I doubt we will see a decent Montreal for under 100k AUD anytime soon. Only if we get a bonafide recession (which I hope we don’t) and not just the slowdown we are currently having. Montreal’s are way more expensive to restore and run than a 105 coupe or spider so I’d imagine most owners will hold if they can through the dips.
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In the interests of helping the Australians on this list - mine was the metallic green one.
I am very familiar with the red one currently on the market, having driven it on many occasions.
My quick comparative assessment:
The red one has a better body and paint. It was put on a rotisserie. You can see the engine bay is the same as the body colour.
The red one is shod with lower profile wider tyres than standard and was lowered more than mine. I think this configuration is not as good aesthetically: lower profile means they don't look big enough for the wheel arches. All easily fixed of course.
Both cars were fitted with a Haltec engine management system with EFI. Both installations include individual coil on plug ignition. Existing distributor and coils remain but are inactive - the engine bay appearance is minimally affected. Performance and reliability is much improved.
The green car has a trigger wheel and sensor on the crank - a new custom pulley was turned up from billet stock to suit the application. Another sensor runs off the RH camshaft.
When I last saw it the red car only had the sensor running off the camshaft - which in my view does not provide the same accuracy as when sensing off the crank: timing chains can stretch and other mechanical issues can cause ambiguous readings. This compromises ability to optimally tune the car.
Last dyno run with the green car showed 160hp at the rear wheels.
Both car interiors are probably comparable - notwithstanding they have different colour schemes which is just a matter of taste. The green car has a modified rear bench replacing the ugly moulded vinyl contraption.
I guess supply and demand influences price !
Hope this is of some help.
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G'day John

Derek had mentioned to me that he knew your green car. I, too, intend to put a Haltec system on my engine. Without exception, everyone I've spoken to with Haltec fuel injection gives it 10 out of 10. I was toying with individual coils or using a distributor. I guess the individual coils would future proof the fuel injection. Are there any other advantages of individual coils?

I'd love to know the actual selling price of the red one, once it disappears from Carsales.

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Apparently the green one was listed at 9:00am on a Sunday for $139 and was gone by 12:00 noon the same day. Don't forget that there were only 180 RHD cars made, and there will never be any more allowed into Australia. So supply and demand is on the side of sellers. Even so, $100 is about where I think the maximum price should be, especially with a likely recession on our doorstep.
Hi... just curious as to why will no more be allowed in Australia? Is there no avenues for classic or rare cars to be allowed dispensations from crash or emissions restrictions?

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Phil..... For the best explanation.... refer to post #359 and #360 of this thread.
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Coil on plug ignition

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Individual coils = better spark = better performance.
No more distributor points to maintain
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Phil..... For the best explanation.... refer to post #359 and #360 of this thread.
I guess my Montreal will continue to be lonely as a LHD in Oz... Any other known LHD’s in Australia?

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The guy doing my metalwork here in Sydney tells me he has a customer with two LHD Montreals. I know one of them is Silver. So don't feel too lonely.
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Lhd rhd

We have two or three of the five or six we keep going for our customers in Melbourne
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I am not a purist at heart! Just wanted to get that out of the way first!!
But, when it comes to Classic cars and the restoration of them, the value is more if it is operating with the original parts and systems the car came with. Modified will always be modified. That doesn't mean you should not change your car. It is your car after all, and you are free to do whatever you wish with it. Just keep in the back of your mind that this will not help the cars market value in the long term. It's the same as with originality, compared to a fully restored car or any antique for that matter.
About cars being allowed into Australia. I believe this is because the Federal Government have installed a set of rules in the last few years, that require a car to be checked for Asbestos, even the slightest trace of it in a car. And the onus is on the owner to prove it has none. From what I have heard, this can be very expensive, if not prohibitive. I have a RHD car, bought in Australia in 1985 and then taken to Europe and Germany before finally being brought to the USA in 1992. Guess what? I don't believe that I can bring my car back into Australia, unless I tear a lot of it out, Clutch, Brakes, under floor Insulation and God only knows what else. If I did, my car would not be original anymore besides not justifying the cost of the modifications. Enough said....

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