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post #1 of 15 (permalink) Old 04-16-2007, 02:47 AM Thread Starter
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Alfa Romeo Tipo 160

I was going trough some old magazines. And found this in a magazine from 1967
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Was that the intended replacement for the 159, with a flat 12? A front engined variant mind you, unlike the mid-engined prototype that we all know...
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It was the proposal for a replacement of the 159.4 wheel drive.
You know it, the driver was placed behind the rear axle.Yes flat 12
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Some components of the car were actually compleated, but the car never was, as far as I am aware...

The Tipo 159 with the driver all the way at the rear was actually compleated and tested.
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Yes, they used a rebuild mule of 159 to test the driver position. It was tested on Monsa. But they was not able to come down to track times similar to 159. The engine was assembled but it has never run
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The project of the Alfa Romeo Grand Prix 160 was developed simultaneously with the Disco Volantes in 1952-53.
The Racing Department that won the Formula 1 title in 1950 and 1951 was responsable for both projects.

The drawing of the engine in your article is from the Cavara book "60 vetture ai raggi X".
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I think that Colombo was involved in the Tipo 160 short before he left Alfa Romeo in 1953.

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Stupid me!
I just found some additional infos, maybe interesting for some of us...






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yes,thats the car. According to the article it was a Busso ide. To place the driver behind the rear wheel.
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Here is a some more from the article. The text is German language. A lot of DellOrto to ajust, the mechanic who should have done must have a terrific hearing
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Interesting is that the article was by Busso himself. It was a very complicated idea, and without the funding, I can understand why the project didn't get very far.
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Thanks for posting the rest of the German article.
It's very funny to read!

In my previous post I forgot to mention that the short attached article in post #07 is taken from an interview of Doug Nye with Consalvo Sanesi.
So in Sanesi's memories it sounded as if the car was terrible and risky to drive, BUT reading the German text it sounds the other way 'round as if Sanesi was totally enthusiastic about the project....

The headline "Begeisterter Sanesi" says that Sanesi was very euphoric, but in the text the same complains come up like in the short article.
So for me it's hard to understand that Sanesi was enthusiastic and at the same time complaining about so many stuff
It was just the lap-time that made an impression, not the character and handling of the car.

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Had the car some to fruition, and had more testing time it would have been very interesting to read and hear the sentiments of the drivers. Bit like sitting in a top-fuel dragster i'd imagine... with slightly more control over your direction.

Sensational looking powerplant.
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One engine block was sold in 1999 at a Christie's auction.



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1952 ALFA CORSE/ALFA ROMEO TIPO 160 2.5 LITRE, 12 CYLINDER GRAND PRIX ENGINE BLOCK
Engine No. 824.50
Alfa Corse Nos. 1.0501.10702 1.0507.10703
At the end of the 1951 racing season, Alfa Romeo announced its intention of withdrawing from Grand Prix racing in order to devote full concentration on the mass production of road cars. In near complete secrecy, Alfa's engineers began work on an all new 12 cylinder engine of 2.5 litre capacity. Using twin overhead camshafts, dual magnetos and 12 single choke carburetors the new engine produced 285bhp at an astounding 10,000rpm!
Designed as a replacement for the Tipo 159 Alfetta, the new profect was identified internally as the Tipo 160. This all new design utilized an extremely ambitious project never went beyond the initial engine development stage. Two engines were completed and dyno tested before the project was put on permeanent hold. The engine block offered here is the second and final of the two examples completed. It is construcvted of a light aluminum-magnesium alloy tow peice casting and consists of Alfa Corse part Nos. 1.0501.10702 and 1.0507.10703. This extremely rare and important Alfa Romeo Grand Prix engine would make an interesting and welcome addition to any collection.
Another one (the same ?) has been for sale for years by italian collector Mario Righini on his website :



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Engine block new 12 cylinders Boxer for prototype 160 granprix.
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No price on his website for the engine


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The engine block pictured by Mike90 is the one I have sold to an American customer in 1998 while he was spending some time in Retromobile.

This block was originally for sale by a French spare parts dealer who had it from Mario Righini scrapyard. The new American owner, a classic car dealer in La Jolla, though it was a tipo 512 engine due to the flat 12 configuration of the engine. Finally he had been stupid enough to auction it at Christie's in 1999.

Everybody know that Alfa Rome never built the car but at the time I had heard that a complete engine exist as a two cylinder engine of the same type (a cut flat 12).

One or two years after (1999 or 2000) the same spare parts dealer had the complete but minus the carburetors, engine for sale at Retromobile. He asked 1 million French francs. The engine has been sold and he let me know the the new owner would intend to build the car. So any new would be appreciated.

With that being said, the picture of the engine on Righini website may be different from the one I had. I will try to find the pictures I had from the engine when it was home and will post them.

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