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post #1 of 14 (permalink) Old 03-24-2006, 02:04 PM Thread Starter
 
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Alfa Paris address

Commento: Gentlemen: If you would please so kind, may I have the address of the Alfa Romeo facilities that existed in Paris in the early 1930s, where unassembled cars were sent, and where they were actually assembled and recived the Alfa Paris badges on the radiators? Thank You, Dott.Ing.Stuart Schaller

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Dear Dott.Ing.Schaller,

we are very sorry to inform you that in this period we haven't the information you need.

Best regards.

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What an odd piece of information for them (allegedly) not to have. I wonder if there are available city directories of Paris from that time period. Here in the US I've used them to track the several addresses where my great-grandfather lived and had his barbershops in the '10s and '20s. If such a thing exists for Paris, then it might contain the info you need.

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Thanks for having tried, Stu.

Up to now, I've been pointed to further possibly knowledgeable people, but didn't find the answer so far.
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How's your french, Stu? Actually, I remember now that you lived in Geneva, so forget I asked that!

Might be worth asking here:

http://tinyurl.com/hedj5

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How's your french, Stu? Actually, I remember now that you lived in Geneva, so forget I asked that!

Might be worth asking here:

http://tinyurl.com/hedj5

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Hi James!

It's still pretty good, but would be a lot better if I got to use it more often...
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What an odd piece of information for them (allegedly) not to have. I wonder if there are available city directories of Paris from that time period. Here in the US I've used them to track the several addresses where my great-grandfather lived and had his barbershops in the '10s and '20s. If such a thing exists for Paris, then it might contain the info you need.
Indeed, you're right: a phone book of the relevant years would do it, or at least confirm. But I didn't come across anyone having access to it. Further sources would be even safer: there were bills issued to and from the Paris company, some have been quoted being wioth the owner of existing cars, but again I couldn't be told yet the address on it. Now, somewhere in Milan, some letter, bill, telegram, ad, name it yourself, should lay on the shelfs.
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I take it you are not interested in the two buildings designed by Mallet-Stevens?

One was on Boulevard Haussmann and was constructed in 1925, the other at 36 Rue Marbeuf and dates from 1927.

Both have since been demolished.
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Those addresses appear to have been more of showrooms than places the parts were actually assembled into cars..
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I take it you are not interested in the two buildings designed by Mallet-Stevens?

One was on Boulevard Haussmann and was constructed in 1925, the other at 36 Rue Marbeuf and dates from 1927.

Both have since been demolished.
That's exactly the question: was still rue Marboeuf the location where the assembly could take place. See the other thread I had started where I had explained just that.
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According to my sources it wasn't so much a place of assembly as a speed shop where they were also assembled. It was located outside of Paris in a town called Clichy. I have an interview with a man called Georges Houel. He has a restaurant called Le Volant and is an interesting section of Paris. Dr. Schaller you may be interested to know that he may have been on the Scuderia Ambrosina team as he mentioned driving for Alfa in the 1954 tour of Italy. Unfortunately I don't know for sure wether this is what he said or not as my french is terrible. I do want to clarify that this was outside of Paris in the town of Clichy not in Paris in Place Clichy which might be an easy mistake to make and I myself thought that was what was said the first few times. I made very certain to clarify this point in hope of some accuracy despite my french. I hope this helps
good luck, please let me know how this turns out
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Jeff,

Georges Houel was in fact a bit of a celebrity in France, once owning 15 restaurants, I think!

If you look here:

http://wsrp.wz.cz/nonchamp1954.html

...you will see that in 1954 Georges was in fact:

3rd in the Coupe d'Automne at Monthlery (behind two Maseratis!)

5th in the Coppa Intereuropa at Monza (behind Zagato and Sanesi..)

Also, if you look here:

http://tinyurl.com/pq36e

You will see he was in fact second in the '54 Giro d'Italia!

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According to my research it wasn't so much a place of assembly as a speed shop where they were also assembled. It was located outside of Paris in a town called Clichy. I have an interview with a man called Georges Houel. He has a restaurant called Le Volant and is an interesting section of Paris. Dr. Schaller you may be interested to know that he may have been on the Scuderia Ambrosina team as he mentioned driving for Alfa in the 1954 tour of Italy. Unfortunately I don't know for sure wether this is what he said or not as my french is terrible. I do want to clarify that this was outside of Paris in the town of Clichy not in Paris in Place Clichy which might be an easy mistake to make and I myself thought that was what was said the first few times. I made very certain to clarify this point in hope of some accuracy despite my french. I hope this helps
good luck, please let me know how this turns out
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According to my research it wasn't so much a place of assembly as a speed shop where they were also assembled. It was located outside of Paris in a town called Clichy. I have an interview with a man called Georges Houel. He has a restaurant called Le Volant and is an interesting section of Paris. Dr. Schaller you may be interested to know that he may have been on the Scuderia Ambrosina team as he mentioned driving for Alfa in the 1954 tour of Italy. Unfortunately I don't know for sure wether this is what he said or not as my french is terrible. I do want to clarify that this was outside of Paris in the town of Clichy not in Paris in Place Clichy which might be an easy mistake to make and I myself thought that was what was said the first few times. I made very certain to clarify this point in hope of some accuracy despite my french. I hope this helps
good luck, please let me know how this turns out
Jeff

Thanks for the information. As far as I was aware, Houel wasn't a part of Scuderia Ambrosiana, but I will check further.
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It's very possible that abrosina or ambrosia was another word entirely. It was something he said when speaking about Alfas and racing them in the 1950's unfortunately I speak little French and what french I do speak has nothing to do with cars. I had a friend that speaks perfect french do the interview so I can consult him to see what he thinks. BTW as a second source since Alfa doesn't have records of this would be tax records. Actually if someone could talk to M. Houel I think we could resolve the whole thing. He mentioned the name of the shop as well but I have no record of the conversation. If anyone does follow up on this I would be interested to find out the whole story of the 1954 Giro d'Italia and the Alfa race shop where the Paris cars were assembled.

Thank you and Good luck
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Hi Jeff,

thank you very much for your input. The original thread I had opened on this subject is this one. I would prefer to continue commenting in that one.
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