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post #1 of 18 (permalink) Old 01-01-2012, 07:31 AM Thread Starter
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What car is this ?

I took the picture of this Alfa at the last Auto Moto d'Epoca held in Padova.
Unfortunatelly I was anxious to get to see all that the show had on display and didn't get the chance to realise what Alfa is it.
Does anyore here know what's this about ?
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It looks to be a replica of Alfa Romeo 6C2500 alla spesa. But what engine there is inside, is impossible to say
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Thanks for the answer.
Is it that only two were made and none survives to this day ?

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There was at least 3 produced. One was at the 100 year anniversary. So at least one exist
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I went through my centenary photo album and I found this one, and also a scale model after a google search for "6C 2500 alla spesa ".
They are both slightly different from my original pic, is it that this replica is not quite right ?
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I think you are compleately right, its a bad copy
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On a different note... I know it's not an Alfa, but didn't want to start a new thread.
I saw this pair at Imola, and have no clue about the origin of the red racing car. Any ideas ?
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Just for precision, the italian correct name is "ALA SPESSA"
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On a different note... I know it's not an Alfa, but didn't want to start a new thread.
I saw this pair at Imola, and have no clue about the origin of the red racing car. Any ideas ?
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There is this 6C Ala Spessa replica which was built in 2008-2009 by a coach builder here in Adelaide and resides in Melbourne. It was built on an original 6C chassis and even has the actual spare engine from the original Ala Spessa that raced in the Tripoli race in the 1930s. The owner bought the chassis and engine from separate vendors in Italy some years ago. It wasn't until her mechanic sought info about the engine from Alfa when he was rebuilding it, that he discovered that, by sheer chance the owner had purchased the race car spare. I believe the Alfa Museum has recognised this as an authentic replica.
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UH! What does "authentic replica" mean???

I do see that there are today more "Ala Spessa" in existence than in the late 30s, none of which looks properly like the real thing, some looking straight ridiculous - the one on the trailer here on top of page seems to have been modelled after the miniature shown lower on the page.

Creative wording won't change anything at that.

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UH! What does "authentic replica" mean???
When this replica was being built the coach builder and the owner were seeking details about the original from the Alfa historical people and at first they thought it was just going to be another poor copy and were not co-operative. When they realised that it was actually going to be very accurate and built to a very high standard, they were more than happy to help. "authentic replica" is my own term and was meant to convey the above. Due to the fact that as far as I know, the original car was destroyed by fire before the war and there are only a handful of old photos and a cutaway drawing of it in existence today, how can anyone say how it looked down to the last detail? Those photos and the drawing were used in the construction of this replica as can be seen in this photo taken during its construction.
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Well, I'm prepared to reckon that, from the pic you posted, that one might look more like the real thing than other ones I have seen, including the replica at Alfa museum made on behalf of Luigi Fusi, which is appalling.

You should also reckon a poor choice of words: "authentic replica" is pure oxymoron. Would you have said "accurate replica", I would not have objected - I've not seen it in the metal.

Most of such recreations are wrong in shape and subtlety compared to the real thing, and the late Angelo Tito Anselmi had written an article on that matter 20 years ago, exactly about Alfa "tipo 256" replicas. He rightly argued that, even when the owner/commissioner of the replica is honest about what it is, it wwill take only a few year before people claim/become convinced that it's the real thing, and it's a cultural diservice when attendants believe they see an original coachbuilding milestone while just watching at... - not judging the one you present and I have not inspected.

So the 2+1 examples that used to exist in 1939/40 are no longer with us. Is it impossible to live with that?
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Well, I'm prepared to reckon that, from the pic you posted, that one might look more like the real thing than other ones I have seen, including the replica at Alfa museum made on behalf of Luigi Fusi, which is appalling.
The fact that it has the spare engine from the original car and a period 6C chassis also makes our replica special compared to the others I think. It featured at the Melbourne Grand Prix in 2010, doing several laps of the circuit. I have not seen it since it was sent back to Melbourne and fitted with its engine.

Sorry about the oxymoron. I should have known better.

Current Alfas
2010 159 ti 1750 TBI sedan (red).
2004 GT 3.2 V6 (Stromboli Grey).
2008 159 TI Sportwagon 2.4 JTDM (Stromboli Grey).
1987 75 3 litre (red). My first 75 and now my son's.
2000 156 2 litre Twin Spark, ( Cosmos Blu metallic), my daughter's car.
2000 156 Monza Twin Spark, (Cosmos Blue metallic), sonís girlfiendís car.
1999 GTV 3 litre 24 valve V6, metallic black, (sonís new car).

Non Alfa
1988 Range Rover Classic Highline 3.9 V8

Past Alfas
1989 75 3 litre, written off by runaway van.
1990 75 3 litre Potenziata (black), now sold & living in Newcastle NSW.
1990 75 3 litre Potenziata (grey, sadly deceased due to fire).
1982 GTV 2 litre, red, (daughter's first Alfa)
2 x 1992 164s, (1 red, 1 grey).
2 x 1988 33s, (both red).
1985 GTV 2 litre, (white).
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