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post #496 of 506 (permalink) Old 05-04-2018, 05:27 AM
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Thank you gtv2000! So, the correct name is Alfa Romeo 3500cmc sport detta "disco volante" coupe.
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Thank you gtv2000! So, the correct name is Alfa Romeo 3500cmc sport detta "disco volante" coupe.
Err... no!

Correct name is 6C3000CM as per Fusi and many more documents. The press release title is to be translated into Alfa Romeo 3500 Sport, aka "Disco Volante coupé".

Alfa Romeo considered seriously building a limited run of 6C 3500 Sport cars for the public until 1957 circa. This is the rationale behind releasing used 6C3500CM chassis to coachbuilders.
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But in 50s Alfa Romeo and period magazines did not name 6C sport cars as 6C 3000CM or 6C 3500CM. The same story happend with the late version of 158. We call it 159, but in 50s this name did not exist. It is a modern interpretation of the model.

In my opinion we use Fusi naming system that was created much later, in the middle of 60s when Alfa put old racing cars on a display at Portello.



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Not only can I tell you positively that "159" was an official name at Alfa, but you also find "159M" and even "160" referred to upgraded 159s at a certain point in the 1951 season. That 160 name never made it to anything public, as far as I know.

Back to the 6C, the point is that all namings were based on the aborted 6C3000 sedan project. So 6C3000CM has the M standing for the capacity increase, where previous names referred to the season, such as 6C3000C50 (meaning competizione 1950). The "genuine" Discos were C52s.

Now indeed, the most usual nickname internally was "Disco 3500". The "Disco" name improperly borrowed from previous year was used only after the Mille Miglia. Earlier documents just say "3500" or "Sport 3500". I have examples of official documents with "3000CM" back in 1953, but in the same folder you can see it designed as "Disco Volante" or "3.5lt." or "tipo 3000 CM" as well.
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Check the period press and documentation regarding 158 and you'll find that 159 or 160 were never mentioned
Moreover 160 was a secret 4WD project for 1952 season, it was completely different car.

If you find any evidence that in 1951-1959 anyone call 158 as 159 it would be great.

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Also would like to see any evidence regarding 6c 3500 or 6c 3500cm. If you have, please, post magazines name and number, or any original AR technical documentation.
It is not that I do not believe you. It's about historical truth.


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OK, I give up. I tell you what I've seen on internal documents. You are entitled to believe whatever you want, however I recommend you check Simon Moore's Magnificient Monoposto vol. 2, pages 696-721.

Yes, I have documents with 159, 159M and 160 (not mentioned by Moore). Not from the Gazzetta dello Sport. And no, I won't post them here.

BTW, 6C3500CM makes no sense at all if you pay any attention to the meaning of the name.
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I have internal AR period documentation regarding 158 fuel mixture, also have documentation regarding gearbox ratios. 159 was never mentioned.
I do not care about Moor book, he could not even trace 8c 2900 LM history which was used as a race car in more than 10 events till 1952.
I would like to see period magazine numbers, do not post them here, they are in open access in Internet now.

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Thank you for reminding me why I have been wasting less and less time here over the years.
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...here's a shot i'd mentioned in my last thread here...interesting layout...i remember Phill Hill saying "...all that braking surface and they still don't work"...
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