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Horst Kwech Tipo 33 - 1968

Horst Kwech ran twice with an Alfa Romeo tipo 33 in 1968:

1968/05/19 – USRRC – Vanderbilt Cup Race - Bridgehampton
#33 – Horst Kwech – T33.2 (Horst Kwech) – Practice: 5th / Race: DNF (Engine)

1968/07/14 – Watkins Glen 6h
#33 – Horst Kwech / John Martino (Horst Kwech) – Practice: 11th (1’17’’00) / Race: DNF (Engine).
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Does anybody know if he ran on other races?

And what did became this car?
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This car appeared again in 1970, on Chicago Automobile Show.

And what else ????????????????
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I used to visit Kweck's shop when I lived in Chicago. I moved to Los Angeles in 1968. I never saw the car in Kweck's shop, so I have no idea where he got it, or where it went to...
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Guy: I looked up for you in the Tipo 33 book by Ed mc Donough and found a small notice about Kwech there. Not much, but that is all, quote:

In mid-July Horst Kwech, long time Alfa saloon racer in the USA, managed to borrow a 2-litre T33/2 for himself and John Martino for the Watkins Glen 6 hours, a race that was not too inspiring as two JW Gulf GT40s finished twenty laps ahead of the rest of the field. The Alfa qualified 11th, got up to 10th, and then retired with the engine having expired after only seventeen laps.

Later in the book there is a list of competition events and its listed, 1968 season:

7/7 Watkins Glen 6 Hours USA
33 H. Kwech/J.Martino ret. , H.Kwech entry

It seems 7/7 date could be wrong as mid-July is mentioned in the text?

OK. Hope some new information has come to you!

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Thanks very much, dretcecerini and Gabor.

I have Ed mc Donough book. It is unfinished and there are a lot of wrong information.
Example: Horst Kwech could not have bought (or borrow) the car in mid-July, because he was racing with it on the nineteenth of May (Bridgehampton). And the race at Watkins Glen was on the fourteen of July!
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I think that it might have been the car that belonged to Alan Marsh, who was in the Chicago area. If so, I think it was the Syd Herman car in Boston and then
to England. I've loaned out my T33 files, so I can't check just now.
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Keith, in which year was it Syd Herman car?
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He owned it for many years. About 1980-2000. He got it from England and it went back to England. Paul Grist, maybe? Not sure, as I don't have my file here. It was 019 or 021 maybe? It was serviced by Paul Glynn in Massachustts when Syd owned it.
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Keith,

Thanks very much for this information.

About #019, I have this:
"Autodelta in Europe and USA 1968 33/2 Daytonas), the car stayed in USA and then went directly to > Japan in 1982. Japanese owner.Japan 2001 car Sold to Belgium Very original"
But my source is not sure!

Ed Mc Donough wrote about #019 "Zipper/Patrick car, Marc Devis, Belgium".

I have nothing about #021.
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Is it #019 ? I am not sure...
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Zipper's car should be this one.
This pic show Scooter Patrick on Daytona American Road Race of Champions (1969/11/30) where he finished 6th.


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My understanding was that Scooter Patrick wrecked the Otto Zipper car. It was either broken up, or one source thought that it might have been sent back to Autodelta. Zipper next purchased a 4 liter car from AD to run in CanAm. I'm probably incorrect about the Chicago car being 019. What about 021? I'm sorry if I'm confusing things. I may have the Ed M. book, so I'll try to sort things out in there before making any further mis-statements.
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I stand corrected!! The Paul Grist/ Syd Herman car is 029 and has Euro history.
I don't have the number of the Chicago car yet. Jim Weber says it went to Knauz, Martino, Alan Marsh, etc.
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Yes, that is right! #029 is the Paul Grist car. The story is known, and there is a test in Ed mc Donough book.

Thanks very much, Keith.

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