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Giulietta headlight bucket snap in nut clips

UPDATE- FOUND 9/2019.

Wanted: I need 3 or 4 of the nut inserts that are missing from my 101 headlight buckets. They must pop out easily, not sure. Gone when I got the car. If you have any rusted out buckets you may have saved as donors with these please let me know. Not sure how many years these were common. Thanks for any help, or source. From memory, I think they are 5mm.
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I think correct name for them is cage nuts. used in the computer industry. try googling them if nothing comes from here.

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I believe you can find them at Ace Hardware.

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I searched the hardware stores first, including an ACE. Certainly nothing close in a metric size or shape. They didn't even have square nuts in metric sizes and their hardware section is huge.

I really would like original ones, not trying to rig these up with a mix of non-stock parts even though they're hidden.

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I think correct name for them is cage nuts. used in the computer industry. try googling them if nothing comes from here.

cheers Ian
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Being used on a Spider 58 years ago, I didn't realize it's such a common item for computers now. D'oh. Figured it was a 5mm unique part to furrrin' cars. Found four for sale in Italy for about $4 a piece...with $55 shipping! Since we have about 400 computers at work and engineers who save everything, I guess I'll try there. Good chance they are metric too. Thanks for the help, beats one raised eyebrow at the hardware store.
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Typing "5 mm cage nut" into Google gets you to a part available from belmetric for $.52 each. See: https://www.belmetric.com/index.php?...AaAqkREALw_wcB

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I would just buy new cage nuts because you will not find originals unless you buy more headlight buckets.
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I forgot about Belmetric, Jay. Thanks. I have bought a few things from them already, like banjo bolts, & connectors.

My head electrical engineer at work didn't know they were called cage nuts either, but didn't have anything like that in the right size, or in metric. I didn't want a 50-100 count, so thanks for the tip. I'll look for the square nuts there that I'm missing as well. I know these are small things, but I'm trying to get this Spider back together correctly. I know a mix of odd restoration parts doesn't help any project, especially when things have to come apart again in the future.
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I searched the hardware stores first, including an ACE. Certainly nothing close in a metric size or shape. They didn't even have square nuts in metric sizes and their hardware section is huge.

I really would like original ones, not trying to rig these up with a mix of non-stock parts even though they're hidden.
That surprises me. IF you have a JAX near you, they have a huge fastener department.

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An update for this silly search for two stinkin' cage nuts that supposedly could have materialized at a local mom & pop hardware with ease. If anyone else may think of using the item's "tip" link above, a bit of a warning; call first with any exact measurement you may have.

I ordered cage nuts and square nuts for the headlight assemblies, among other things that I needed...but, batted 0-for on those. The threaded 5mm female parts were right, but the O.D. and even the clip were not correct. All was not lost, however. While the square nuts I ordered were too small for the 4 slots on the built-in body's headlight receiving locations, they are the right size for the buckets (if they had the right cage nut clip around them)...but, when I took the new cage nuts apart, the square nuts were perfect for the 4 body spots.

So back to the correct size cage nut search. I actually did get a lot of other assembly stuff done today, but I wanted to get my headlights in and the new harness wires to them. Ugh.

Hope to see a few of you in Pittsburgh Friday. The weather is as thick as pea soup, so be warned about that too!
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Bump: I have now gone to several fastener specialists and none have the correct size cage nut for a Giulietta bucket. The square hole size is about 7mm for them to snap in to. If I can get the correct cage, I have the 5mm square nuts to replace even an incorrect size thread. I only need two. If anyone spots them please let me know.
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Hi Barn101,

Those cage nuts from Carello are not only to be found on the Giulietta buckets.
Many other and later Carello buckets had them. ( ... even cage nuts on some Siem buckets had the same Alfa number.)
I have Included some pictures of them sitting on a bucket of a Giulia gt (picture 1) from the seventies and on 136mm light buckets for Fiat and or Lancia ( picture 2).

Can you confirm the measurements that I could take ?
Outside diameter of the nut is about 9mm
Outside diameter of the cage is about 10 mm.

Fwiw, here the Alfa and Carello parts number of the little beasts:
Alfa : 101.00.65.010.00/02
Carello 00.532.677 and later 90.000.622
Regarding the numbers you have to know that there was another system of 'shoving' nut used by Carello but that had the same reference in the catalogs. ( Just for making things easy probably!)

Another option, I think that you could use the plastic nuts as on the later Alfa buckets, by cutting the part of the plastic that you donít need, see last pictures.

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Thierry, thanks for adding that info.

Yes, there would have been a few ways to rig the bucket's cage nut location to work without the stock parts (who would ever see them, right?), but I don't like finding that kind of stuff from other previous owner's work in the past, so I didn't want to contribute to that on this 101. Very few original parts on this car needed replaced, so I'm trying to stick to replacing any exact, original parts with the same as much as possible. I know it's not an unearthed SZ, but there it is.

There are certainly small and large original parts on this 101 Alfa Normale that defy a "installed by that year" inclusion that has made it occasionally hard to order necessary bushings, etc. I'm still convinced many Normales got the empty the old parts bins treatment that Veloces maybe did not. My '61 of December-built 101 has a mix of late-style ('62) Giulietta factory additions that I really appreciate, and then some 750 parts like small bushing trailing arms, for instance that doesn't make sense. For a non-transition car, it must just like to stay related.

Anyway, thanks to all for your input. I did way more searching than I thought I was ever going to, but absolutely no one sold them in my Giulietta's small size, 10mm outer, hole size about 7mm. All the big and small fastener vendors apologized for not having anything small enough to help. Belmetrics still got my cash though for plenty else like fuel line parts and brake lines.

Hopefully the search for these hen's teeth cage nuts is now over. Now, if I can just make sure I'm routing everything through the firewall correctly, out of the correct spots...

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Hi John ,

Be shure I'm also a lover of original parts and I follow you completely.
Just wanted to help.
If you are in for buying buckets for the cage nuts only, as I said , they can be found on other Carello buckets, that I have checked in the Carello Catalogs.
But of course, I hope you can get them from the other member.
If not, PM me and I try to buy some buckets here in Europe for you.

Rgds from Belgium,

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Be shure I'm also a lover of original parts and I follow you completely.
Just wanted to help.
If you are in for buying buckets for the cage nuts only, as I said , they can be found on other Carello buckets, that I have checked in the Carello Catalogs.
But of course, I hope you can get them from the other member.
If not, PM me and I try to buy some buckets here in Europe for you.

Rgds from Belgium,

Thierry
Really appreciate the kind offer of any help, Thierry. Had to buy the bucket to get the nuts, but that's okay. If someone else needs the bucket now dealing with their own rusty one, I'll pass it on for free plus maybe the shipping cost if it's far away.

UPDATE EDIT:
I thought I had sourced these, but now it appears I have not. Willing to buy a 750-101 bucket to get them if anyone has an extra from a parts car.

Thanks, again.
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