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2000 Spider heater valve placement, any photos or diagrams?

Does anyone have the proper placement of this heater valve? I understand the parts manual, but it's not really too helpful as with the hoses, it's turns and the 2 clamps involved. What it shows doesn't seem to work in reality. Thanks

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There's a picture in this thread that may help you.

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I posted pics of that area in my 1488 thread. As the BB search function doesn’t really help, it would take me as long as you to find the pics. They’ll be among the more recent.

On 00072 I sort of took the easy road. A decade later, I worked through the water flow, and figured out why Alfa took all the curvy gyrations to mount the valve. It’s because the flow pressure helps to keep the valve closed, and pulling the lever pushes the rubber diaphragm open against the flow.

Rather than go to the bother of inserting a curved copper tube inside the two pieces, I did some parts-bin engineering and bought pre-curved hoses and cut the necessary pieces out. Works a treat.

If you can’t find the pics, lemme know. The car will be back in my shop next week and I can get more for you.

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Past Alfas...
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65 Sprint GT (2nd Alfa, $500 daily driver)
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74 Berlina (first new car - now certainly rusted into oblivion)
61 Giulietta Spider G-Prod Race Car (where is it now?)
84 Spider Veloce (rarely drove it, so sold it)
86 Quadrifoglio (Dull car - no more 115s for me)
1971 Montreal "The Full Monty". Fair winds and following seas

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Oops. Add to the "present" list, 10204 01488, 2000 Touring Roadster project

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Zlin 50LA (+9 -6 gees, titanium spar, 1200 lbs, 260HP rumored to now be in Brazil)
1946 Luscombe 8A
Starduster Too (recently spotted at the Nevada City, CA airport - over 20 years and an entire continent separating it from our stewardship in Binghamton, NY)
1955 Cessna 170B (wife taught me to fly tailwheel in this)

And present...
64 Mooney M20E ("Rambo". My faithful steed for over 40 years) Over 55 years old, and just returned from a trip to Argentina in him
Newest in the fleet
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2010 Triumph Thunderbird


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Thanks for the help. The photo makes sense but the hoses, as far as the manual shows, are attached opposite of what is shown. Don, as for the copper pipe insert, I dealt with that on a Giulietta, and from what I remember, it had more than one bend and a pain in the. Yes, a proper contempory curved hose would do the trick. I assumed a metal insert was used as a support of some kind because the valve is not mounted(Alfa after thought?).
The long hose is shown with a bend at the bottom which most hoses don't like. So I am confused about the height placement of the valve.

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PS70, that photo looks better, but as I said that sharp bend with the long hose doesn't seem to be right.

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Mark,

This is a picture of # 01234 with original insert into the hose :

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Thanks PS70, that's what I was looking for.
Definitely not the best design. I guess it's a little late to scold Alfa on this one.

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Depending on hose ID, a hose from another car could be adapted? The one shown below is GTV6/Milano from Centerline here.

The second one is from Moss Motors, see search page here.




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Thanks Tubut, 1/2" inside works well. At Autozone here, they let me go in the back and try to match up some of these types of hoses. I did find some copper tubing with a bend that will work in the hose though.

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I couldn't find the pics of my installation in my thread, or my files. I'm sure I took pics. I should have the car back early next week, at the latest.

My install is, I think, a bit neater than the ones above. Picture = 1000 words, some in Italian.

A point to note is that there should a clamp near the valve that screws into the wheel well, and lifts the hose above the weld-line in that well. This gives solidity to the valve mount, and against the push-pull from the cable. I've got a second identical clamp up near the fuse box because this keeps it all from laying on the paint of the wheel well, and I had an extra. Maybe a second was supposed to go there anyway, as I found matching pre-drilled holes fore and aft.

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Past Alfas...
59 102 Touring (first Alfa $500 running)
65 Sprint GT (2nd Alfa, $500 daily driver)
102 Sprint (never did anything with it, but wish I had)
74 Berlina (first new car - now certainly rusted into oblivion)
61 Giulietta Spider G-Prod Race Car (where is it now?)
84 Spider Veloce (rarely drove it, so sold it)
86 Quadrifoglio (Dull car - no more 115s for me)
1971 Montreal "The Full Monty". Fair winds and following seas

Current Alfas
59 102 Touring Roadster - restoration complete, enough Alfa for any rational man. Or irrational, for that matter
Oops. Add to the "present" list, 10204 01488, 2000 Touring Roadster project

And past...
Two 1946 Stampe SV4C (c/n 294 "Rocinante" - wife's favorite airplane. RIP), and c/n 235 "La Bon Temps Femme" (gone to a new home, but never forgotten)
Zlin 50LA (+9 -6 gees, titanium spar, 1200 lbs, 260HP rumored to now be in Brazil)
1946 Luscombe 8A
Starduster Too (recently spotted at the Nevada City, CA airport - over 20 years and an entire continent separating it from our stewardship in Binghamton, NY)
1955 Cessna 170B (wife taught me to fly tailwheel in this)

And present...
64 Mooney M20E ("Rambo". My faithful steed for over 40 years) Over 55 years old, and just returned from a trip to Argentina in him
Newest in the fleet
1967 Piper Super Cub on Wipline amphibious floats (a true "all terrain vehicle")
2010 Triumph Thunderbird


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Yes, the parts manual calls out for 2 clamps, I"m guessing one near the steering box and the other near the fuse box. I went ahead and finished up this way shown in the photo.
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Nope. Shoulda waited for pic. Stand by.

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Past Alfas...
59 102 Touring (first Alfa $500 running)
65 Sprint GT (2nd Alfa, $500 daily driver)
102 Sprint (never did anything with it, but wish I had)
74 Berlina (first new car - now certainly rusted into oblivion)
61 Giulietta Spider G-Prod Race Car (where is it now?)
84 Spider Veloce (rarely drove it, so sold it)
86 Quadrifoglio (Dull car - no more 115s for me)
1971 Montreal "The Full Monty". Fair winds and following seas

Current Alfas
59 102 Touring Roadster - restoration complete, enough Alfa for any rational man. Or irrational, for that matter
Oops. Add to the "present" list, 10204 01488, 2000 Touring Roadster project

And past...
Two 1946 Stampe SV4C (c/n 294 "Rocinante" - wife's favorite airplane. RIP), and c/n 235 "La Bon Temps Femme" (gone to a new home, but never forgotten)
Zlin 50LA (+9 -6 gees, titanium spar, 1200 lbs, 260HP rumored to now be in Brazil)
1946 Luscombe 8A
Starduster Too (recently spotted at the Nevada City, CA airport - over 20 years and an entire continent separating it from our stewardship in Binghamton, NY)
1955 Cessna 170B (wife taught me to fly tailwheel in this)

And present...
64 Mooney M20E ("Rambo". My faithful steed for over 40 years) Over 55 years old, and just returned from a trip to Argentina in him
Newest in the fleet
1967 Piper Super Cub on Wipline amphibious floats (a true "all terrain vehicle")
2010 Triumph Thunderbird


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