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Can you post a picture of the backside of the shoes?

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I've always been told that the later style brakes on the 102 were auto-adjusting, and a few of you have remarked how you like having auto-adjusting brakes.


I see this assembly as just being a different sort of manual adjuster.
Don, I totally agree and can clearly see that your environmentally friendly (well they are green) brakes are manually adjusting, like mine. They are just different, in that your adjusting 'snails' operate on the back of your wheel cylinders and have a different sort of actuator to turn for the adjustment. The snail adjusters on my brakes react against a pin on my brake shoes, probably like your other car's.

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I'll get some pics of the back side of the shoes tomorrow. Gym sort of whupped my behind this afternoon, so I'm off for horizontalness.

The tub is stripped of anything that can be removed. At least, I thought so until I'd cleaned my hands and was walking out of the shop, and noticed one "Touring construction placard", and the left rear axle support strap hanging down. They'll be off in 5 minutes tomorrow.

The steel for the rotisserie has arrived, and will be fetched to the casa tomorrow morning. Construction might begin immediately, although I've been putting off finishing the Cub Amphib annual far too long. With temps down in the 20s and wind gusts across the ridges at up to 120mph, the hangar doors may be the only thing flying tomorrow.

I picked up the first load from the powder coater, and dropped off another. There will be many, many loads to go.

I'm looking forward to having the tub up on the rotator. Somehow, that seems like an important inflection point in the process.

Oh, I got a reply from Valeria at the museo in response to my nudge. After apologizing, she promised to get me an answer tomorrow. C'mon Grigio Biacca, but it's already obvious to me that this was the original color. The real mystery will be what the interior is listed to have been.

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Past Alfas...
59 102 Touring (first Alfa $500 running)
65 Sprint GT (2nd Alfa, $500 daily driver)
102 Sprint (never did anything with it, but wish I had)
74 Berlina (first new car - now certainly rusted into oblivion)
61 Giulietta Spider G-Prod Race Car (where is it now?)
84 Spider Veloce (rarely drove it, so sold it)
86 Quadrifoglio (Dull car - no more 115s for me)
1971 Montreal "The Full Monty". Fair winds and following seas

Current Alfas
59 102 Touring Roadster - restoration complete, enough Alfa for any rational man. Or irrational, for that matter
Oops. Add to the "present" list, 10204 01488, 2000 Touring Roadster project

And past...
Two 1946 Stampe SV4C (c/n 294 "Rocinante" - wife's favorite airplane. RIP), and c/n 235 "La Bon Temps Femme" (gone to a new home, but never forgotten)
Zlin 50LA (+9 -6 gees, titanium spar, 1200 lbs, 260HP rumored to now be in Brazil)
1946 Luscombe 8A
Starduster Too (recently spotted at the Nevada City, CA airport - over 20 years and an entire continent separating it from our stewardship in Binghamton, NY)
1955 Cessna 170B (wife taught me to fly tailwheel in this)

And present...
64 Mooney M20E ("Rambo". My faithful steed for over 40 years) Over 55 years old, and just returned from a trip to Argentina in him
Newest in the fleet
1967 Piper Super Cub on Wipline amphibious floats (a true "all terrain vehicle")
2010 Triumph Thunderbird


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Got some work done last night and today, but not as much as I'd like. Still, daily progress.

I've always been told that the later style brakes on the 102 were auto-adjusting, and a few of you have remarked how you like having auto-adjusting brakes.

I can see no evidence of a system on these late brakes that would result in automatic adjustment.

These rear late-version brakes appear much like the early version, except for the large, silver hex head on the shoe body. The function of that escapes me. Still, there is the square-headed adjuster that allows a crude sort of adjustment periodically, via rotation from flat spot to flat spot while the tapered plunger gradually separates the shoes a little, taking up for wear.

The late model front brakes have their two cylinders located fore and aft, whereas the early are top and bottom. There is a rotating pin that goes through the "tang" at the back of the cylinders which rotates a sort of scroll-shaped expander when the rectangular tang on the head of the pin is rotated. It is kept from rotating on its own by a little gear under the nut that is gripped by a sort of "C" shaped circlip. I see this assembly as just being a different sort of manual adjuster.

Can anyone explain where the idea of auto-adjusting 102 brakes came from, and how they might work if they actually do? Also, what do those bloody big hex-headed things do, assuming they do anything? Maybe one removes them to make brake shoe assembly easier?
Looks somewhat like a Benz or even Fiat setup. The hex thing is part of a friction device that hold the brake shoe from returning fully. The hole in the shoe is larger than the body of the hex thing so some movement is possible. The hex thing fits over a post and the clearance between the 2 allows the shoe to retract slightly. As used by Benz, Fiat, and my own similar contraption for an RX-2 Mazda, it works quite well.
Or it might be something else.
Take it apart so we all can be enlightened.
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Don,
As you have the tub stripped it is may be easy for you to see where this part (to old the exhaust silencer) is welded on the body ? :

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There is no such thing welded to the body.

There is a bracket that bolts the the rear of the transmission, and extends towards the left where it clamps to the exhaust pipe.

The rear of the exhaust hangs from a rubber isolator that is attached to, I think, the forward track rod connection point.

I'll get some pics for you later.

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Past Alfas...
59 102 Touring (first Alfa $500 running)
65 Sprint GT (2nd Alfa, $500 daily driver)
102 Sprint (never did anything with it, but wish I had)
74 Berlina (first new car - now certainly rusted into oblivion)
61 Giulietta Spider G-Prod Race Car (where is it now?)
84 Spider Veloce (rarely drove it, so sold it)
86 Quadrifoglio (Dull car - no more 115s for me)
1971 Montreal "The Full Monty". Fair winds and following seas

Current Alfas
59 102 Touring Roadster - restoration complete, enough Alfa for any rational man. Or irrational, for that matter
Oops. Add to the "present" list, 10204 01488, 2000 Touring Roadster project

And past...
Two 1946 Stampe SV4C (c/n 294 "Rocinante" - wife's favorite airplane. RIP), and c/n 235 "La Bon Temps Femme" (gone to a new home, but never forgotten)
Zlin 50LA (+9 -6 gees, titanium spar, 1200 lbs, 260HP rumored to now be in Brazil)
1946 Luscombe 8A
Starduster Too (recently spotted at the Nevada City, CA airport - over 20 years and an entire continent separating it from our stewardship in Binghamton, NY)
1955 Cessna 170B (wife taught me to fly tailwheel in this)

And present...
64 Mooney M20E ("Rambo". My faithful steed for over 40 years) Over 55 years old, and just returned from a trip to Argentina in him
Newest in the fleet
1967 Piper Super Cub on Wipline amphibious floats (a true "all terrain vehicle")
2010 Triumph Thunderbird


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Don,

What you describe is to old the exhaust on the green circle.

A assume the part on picture is to old the exhaust on the red circle.

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There is no such thing welded to the body.

There is a bracket that bolts the the rear of the transmission, and extends towards the left where it clamps to the exhaust pipe.

The rear of the exhaust hangs from a rubber isolator that is attached to, I think, the forward track rod connection point.

I'll get some pics for you later.
I believe there's a bracket welded to the body, at about a 45 degree angle, next to the spare wheel well, supporting the 3rd muffler and exhaust tip.

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Maintainer of a private 2600 SZ register (not the one in the Netherlands).[/SIZE]
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Don,

What you describe is to old the exhaust on the green circle.

A assume the part on picture is to old the exhaust on the red circle.
I do not understand what you are saying.

Tubut is correct there is a third support for the tail piece of the exhaust. It, and the one forward of the spare tire well, are attach points for rubber hangers that bolt to tabs on the exhaust.

Don P
Carson City, NV

Past Alfas...
59 102 Touring (first Alfa $500 running)
65 Sprint GT (2nd Alfa, $500 daily driver)
102 Sprint (never did anything with it, but wish I had)
74 Berlina (first new car - now certainly rusted into oblivion)
61 Giulietta Spider G-Prod Race Car (where is it now?)
84 Spider Veloce (rarely drove it, so sold it)
86 Quadrifoglio (Dull car - no more 115s for me)
1971 Montreal "The Full Monty". Fair winds and following seas

Current Alfas
59 102 Touring Roadster - restoration complete, enough Alfa for any rational man. Or irrational, for that matter
Oops. Add to the "present" list, 10204 01488, 2000 Touring Roadster project

And past...
Two 1946 Stampe SV4C (c/n 294 "Rocinante" - wife's favorite airplane. RIP), and c/n 235 "La Bon Temps Femme" (gone to a new home, but never forgotten)
Zlin 50LA (+9 -6 gees, titanium spar, 1200 lbs, 260HP rumored to now be in Brazil)
1946 Luscombe 8A
Starduster Too (recently spotted at the Nevada City, CA airport - over 20 years and an entire continent separating it from our stewardship in Binghamton, NY)
1955 Cessna 170B (wife taught me to fly tailwheel in this)

And present...
64 Mooney M20E ("Rambo". My faithful steed for over 40 years) Over 55 years old, and just returned from a trip to Argentina in him
Newest in the fleet
1967 Piper Super Cub on Wipline amphibious floats (a true "all terrain vehicle")
2010 Triumph Thunderbird


You can snap roll an Alfa only one time...
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Sorry Don, the picture was not enclosed . It is the case now.

Ruedy,

Your picture help a lot. The part would be there.

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More detail will be very helpfull.
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Serge, not to take Don's thread too far off topic, but I believe the bracket you showed above (in post #116) was actually attached to the 2nd muffler, not the body (as shown in the first picture of a NOS 2600 exhaust below). Judging from the pasts catalog pages, the bracket for the 3rd muffler attached to the body on 102 cars also seems to have 2 attachments points for 2 rubber pieces (possibly the same or similar to 106 cars, where my 2nd picture is from).

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Maintainer of a private 2600 SZ register (not the one in the Netherlands).[/SIZE]

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Don,

Did you receive my email a few days ago about the "Choke and accelerator" lever assembly?

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post #119 of 920 (permalink) Old 01-19-2018, 08:19 AM Thread Starter
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Mark,

No, I don't think I got an email from you.

To others...

I don't mind thread digressions. Such objections seem to degrade the collegial nature of this BB at its best.

Don P
Carson City, NV

Past Alfas...
59 102 Touring (first Alfa $500 running)
65 Sprint GT (2nd Alfa, $500 daily driver)
102 Sprint (never did anything with it, but wish I had)
74 Berlina (first new car - now certainly rusted into oblivion)
61 Giulietta Spider G-Prod Race Car (where is it now?)
84 Spider Veloce (rarely drove it, so sold it)
86 Quadrifoglio (Dull car - no more 115s for me)
1971 Montreal "The Full Monty". Fair winds and following seas

Current Alfas
59 102 Touring Roadster - restoration complete, enough Alfa for any rational man. Or irrational, for that matter
Oops. Add to the "present" list, 10204 01488, 2000 Touring Roadster project

And past...
Two 1946 Stampe SV4C (c/n 294 "Rocinante" - wife's favorite airplane. RIP), and c/n 235 "La Bon Temps Femme" (gone to a new home, but never forgotten)
Zlin 50LA (+9 -6 gees, titanium spar, 1200 lbs, 260HP rumored to now be in Brazil)
1946 Luscombe 8A
Starduster Too (recently spotted at the Nevada City, CA airport - over 20 years and an entire continent separating it from our stewardship in Binghamton, NY)
1955 Cessna 170B (wife taught me to fly tailwheel in this)

And present...
64 Mooney M20E ("Rambo". My faithful steed for over 40 years) Over 55 years old, and just returned from a trip to Argentina in him
Newest in the fleet
1967 Piper Super Cub on Wipline amphibious floats (a true "all terrain vehicle")
2010 Triumph Thunderbird


You can snap roll an Alfa only one time...
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My thought is that the original picture of the bracket, held in your hand, appears to be much larger than any bracket I've seen on a 102, or a muffler.

Is the item near your hand rubber or steel? If rubber, I suppose the bracket could be cut off of a muffler, but it still looks too large.

Don P
Carson City, NV

Past Alfas...
59 102 Touring (first Alfa $500 running)
65 Sprint GT (2nd Alfa, $500 daily driver)
102 Sprint (never did anything with it, but wish I had)
74 Berlina (first new car - now certainly rusted into oblivion)
61 Giulietta Spider G-Prod Race Car (where is it now?)
84 Spider Veloce (rarely drove it, so sold it)
86 Quadrifoglio (Dull car - no more 115s for me)
1971 Montreal "The Full Monty". Fair winds and following seas

Current Alfas
59 102 Touring Roadster - restoration complete, enough Alfa for any rational man. Or irrational, for that matter
Oops. Add to the "present" list, 10204 01488, 2000 Touring Roadster project

And past...
Two 1946 Stampe SV4C (c/n 294 "Rocinante" - wife's favorite airplane. RIP), and c/n 235 "La Bon Temps Femme" (gone to a new home, but never forgotten)
Zlin 50LA (+9 -6 gees, titanium spar, 1200 lbs, 260HP rumored to now be in Brazil)
1946 Luscombe 8A
Starduster Too (recently spotted at the Nevada City, CA airport - over 20 years and an entire continent separating it from our stewardship in Binghamton, NY)
1955 Cessna 170B (wife taught me to fly tailwheel in this)

And present...
64 Mooney M20E ("Rambo". My faithful steed for over 40 years) Over 55 years old, and just returned from a trip to Argentina in him
Newest in the fleet
1967 Piper Super Cub on Wipline amphibious floats (a true "all terrain vehicle")
2010 Triumph Thunderbird


You can snap roll an Alfa only one time...
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