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Serge,

There is no body-mounted exhaust hanger in the area you have circled in red. There is a bracket that mounts to the rear of the transmission. The next hanger after that attaches to the the tee-bar mount, as discussed, then there is a body-mounted tab at the rear for the tailpipe.

Only three hangers total.

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Past Alfas...
59 102 Touring (first Alfa $500 running)
65 Sprint GT (2nd Alfa, $500 daily driver)
102 Sprint (never did anything with it, but wish I had)
74 Berlina (first new car - now certainly rusted into oblivion)
61 Giulietta Spider G-Prod Race Car (where is it now?)
84 Spider Veloce (rarely drove it, so sold it)
86 Quadrifoglio (Dull car - no more 115s for me)
1971 Montreal "The Full Monty". Fair winds and following seas

Current Alfas
59 102 Touring Roadster - restoration complete, enough Alfa for any rational man. Or irrational, for that matter
Oops. Add to the "present" list, 10204 01488, 2000 Touring Roadster project

And past...
Two 1946 Stampe SV4C (c/n 294 "Rocinante" - wife's favorite airplane. RIP), and c/n 235 "La Bon Temps Femme" (gone to a new home, but never forgotten)
Zlin 50LA (+9 -6 gees, titanium spar, 1200 lbs, 260HP rumored to now be in Brazil)
1946 Luscombe 8A
Starduster Too (recently spotted at the Nevada City, CA airport - over 20 years and an entire continent separating it from our stewardship in Binghamton, NY)
1955 Cessna 170B (wife taught me to fly tailwheel in this)

And present...
64 Mooney M20E ("Rambo". My faithful steed for over 40 years) Over 55 years old, and just returned from a trip to Argentina in him
Newest in the fleet
1967 Piper Super Cub on Wipline amphibious floats (a true "all terrain vehicle")
2010 Triumph Thunderbird


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Day 50. Phase deux

I've often observed that when I die and am sent to purgatory (the more optimistic of my two suspicions), that I'll be sent to serve out my time by working in a DMV office somewhere. This is only partly due to the infinite tedium of dealing with a never-ending line of dim-witted and unprepared supplicants trying to register their childhood tricycle, or recover a revoked driver's license yanked for their 9th DUI. No, it would be for the far worse punishment of having to share an office with coworkers whose path of failed dreams and genetic destiny led them to live out the remainder of their lives in MY purgatory, without the observational skills to recognize that their presence is the punishment of those of us who managed to die BEFORE being sent here.

I hereby apologize to the staff and management of the Carson City DMV.

This organization is rare proof that a governmental entity can work brilliantly, with verve and humor, while striving to be even better next year.

One can walk in and stand in a fast moving line, or go online, to make a flexible "appointment". Both work, but I prefer using the line, as this includes a pre-check of one's documents, confirming their completeness, or providing guidance on needed corrections. After one has checked in, you can leave to go about other errands. Every so often, a text is received updating the estimated time until your turn will come up. The line ahead can go faster or slower than predicted, of course.

20 minutes before my turn was expected to come up, the text encouraged me to return. Within a minute or two of the predicted time, I was called to a window where "Sean" awaited with a smile. He was young, but spoke in clear, witty, standard English. I presented my lengthy stack of title, three bills of sale, two powers of attorney, and a convoluted explanation of how a hand-executed Texas Title from 1964 came into my possession 54 years AFTER being signed for transfer without ever being reregistered in a new owner's name.

"Sign here, here, and here. That'll be $29.25"

And so 1020401488 is now officially mine.

It was a brief anti-climax to also obtain a new "Real-ID" driver's license so I can fly commercially, on those rare occasions I might want to.

Wouldn't it be nice if for-profit doctors and dentists used a similar system, sparing hours in a waiting area scouring ancient "Better Homes and Gardens", "People", and "Senior Health" for ANYTHING of interest.

Also yesterday...

The car was delivered to the media blaster, who has promised to have it done by Monday, the paint/body guy is standing by for delivery and immediate application of anti-rust protection, I got new passport photos taken, confirmation with Stockton Wheel that the three wobbly rims are now perfectly straight and on their way back, new clutch master cylinder received, front wheel cylinders reassembled, and attended the grandson's Honor Band concert, where he was first chair euphonium for the second year in a row, and drove the hour home to much appreciated cool sheets.

A good day.

Don P
Carson City, NV

Past Alfas...
59 102 Touring (first Alfa $500 running)
65 Sprint GT (2nd Alfa, $500 daily driver)
102 Sprint (never did anything with it, but wish I had)
74 Berlina (first new car - now certainly rusted into oblivion)
61 Giulietta Spider G-Prod Race Car (where is it now?)
84 Spider Veloce (rarely drove it, so sold it)
86 Quadrifoglio (Dull car - no more 115s for me)
1971 Montreal "The Full Monty". Fair winds and following seas

Current Alfas
59 102 Touring Roadster - restoration complete, enough Alfa for any rational man. Or irrational, for that matter
Oops. Add to the "present" list, 10204 01488, 2000 Touring Roadster project

And past...
Two 1946 Stampe SV4C (c/n 294 "Rocinante" - wife's favorite airplane. RIP), and c/n 235 "La Bon Temps Femme" (gone to a new home, but never forgotten)
Zlin 50LA (+9 -6 gees, titanium spar, 1200 lbs, 260HP rumored to now be in Brazil)
1946 Luscombe 8A
Starduster Too (recently spotted at the Nevada City, CA airport - over 20 years and an entire continent separating it from our stewardship in Binghamton, NY)
1955 Cessna 170B (wife taught me to fly tailwheel in this)

And present...
64 Mooney M20E ("Rambo". My faithful steed for over 40 years) Over 55 years old, and just returned from a trip to Argentina in him
Newest in the fleet
1967 Piper Super Cub on Wipline amphibious floats (a true "all terrain vehicle")
2010 Triumph Thunderbird


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I love your prose, fluid progress and entertaining side trips. Congrats to the GS with the euphonium. Be interesting to collect all of your posts into a little booklet. Call it "The Zen and the art of Alfa preservation and restoration".

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The media blaster guy did not get it done by today. Now he's calling for another day or two, which means we won't intersect with Kelly, the body guy, this week. Dagnabbit.

I'm going to head up there tomorrow to see if I can spur them along.

Yesterday I got the shop largely rolled over from car-dismantling and metal fabrication to parts martialing and component restoration. Phase deux.

The spare engine by itself in the storage crate has a serial number up around 3,500, which seems odd when you realize they made only 3,443 of the cars. The engine in my display case is #1815, which might be placed roughly in the same year as car 1488. PITA to get the case out of the family room, up the driveway to the shop, and the power unit pulled up out of the case, but just gotta do it, I'm afraid.

It's been nearly a month, and Borrani America has not called back as promised with a quote or answers to a couple of technical questions. I've left five messages requesting follow up. Grrrrr.

The powder coater lost one of my sway bar mounting brackets. Anyone have a spare?

Don P
Carson City, NV

Past Alfas...
59 102 Touring (first Alfa $500 running)
65 Sprint GT (2nd Alfa, $500 daily driver)
102 Sprint (never did anything with it, but wish I had)
74 Berlina (first new car - now certainly rusted into oblivion)
61 Giulietta Spider G-Prod Race Car (where is it now?)
84 Spider Veloce (rarely drove it, so sold it)
86 Quadrifoglio (Dull car - no more 115s for me)
1971 Montreal "The Full Monty". Fair winds and following seas

Current Alfas
59 102 Touring Roadster - restoration complete, enough Alfa for any rational man. Or irrational, for that matter
Oops. Add to the "present" list, 10204 01488, 2000 Touring Roadster project

And past...
Two 1946 Stampe SV4C (c/n 294 "Rocinante" - wife's favorite airplane. RIP), and c/n 235 "La Bon Temps Femme" (gone to a new home, but never forgotten)
Zlin 50LA (+9 -6 gees, titanium spar, 1200 lbs, 260HP rumored to now be in Brazil)
1946 Luscombe 8A
Starduster Too (recently spotted at the Nevada City, CA airport - over 20 years and an entire continent separating it from our stewardship in Binghamton, NY)
1955 Cessna 170B (wife taught me to fly tailwheel in this)

And present...
64 Mooney M20E ("Rambo". My faithful steed for over 40 years) Over 55 years old, and just returned from a trip to Argentina in him
Newest in the fleet
1967 Piper Super Cub on Wipline amphibious floats (a true "all terrain vehicle")
2010 Triumph Thunderbird


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Didn't other models, like Berlinas, use the same engine?

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Pete,

The car we know as the "Berlina" was introduced in the US in 1969 with a 1750, all-aluminum, engine.

The model 10200 four door was referred to in the US as a "Sedan". It may have been referred to as a berlina (small case "b") in Germany, but I'm not sure of that. It had a similar cast-iron 2000 to the Coupe and Roadster, but with slightly lower compression and a two-barrel downdraft carb.

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Past Alfas...
59 102 Touring (first Alfa $500 running)
65 Sprint GT (2nd Alfa, $500 daily driver)
102 Sprint (never did anything with it, but wish I had)
74 Berlina (first new car - now certainly rusted into oblivion)
61 Giulietta Spider G-Prod Race Car (where is it now?)
84 Spider Veloce (rarely drove it, so sold it)
86 Quadrifoglio (Dull car - no more 115s for me)
1971 Montreal "The Full Monty". Fair winds and following seas

Current Alfas
59 102 Touring Roadster - restoration complete, enough Alfa for any rational man. Or irrational, for that matter
Oops. Add to the "present" list, 10204 01488, 2000 Touring Roadster project

And past...
Two 1946 Stampe SV4C (c/n 294 "Rocinante" - wife's favorite airplane. RIP), and c/n 235 "La Bon Temps Femme" (gone to a new home, but never forgotten)
Zlin 50LA (+9 -6 gees, titanium spar, 1200 lbs, 260HP rumored to now be in Brazil)
1946 Luscombe 8A
Starduster Too (recently spotted at the Nevada City, CA airport - over 20 years and an entire continent separating it from our stewardship in Binghamton, NY)
1955 Cessna 170B (wife taught me to fly tailwheel in this)

And present...
64 Mooney M20E ("Rambo". My faithful steed for over 40 years) Over 55 years old, and just returned from a trip to Argentina in him
Newest in the fleet
1967 Piper Super Cub on Wipline amphibious floats (a true "all terrain vehicle")
2010 Triumph Thunderbird


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Pete,

The car we know as the "Berlina" was introduced in the US in 1969 with a 1750, all-aluminum, engine.

The model 10200 four door was referred to in the US as a "Sedan". It may have been referred to as a berlina (small case "b") in Germany, but I'm not sure of that. It had a similar cast-iron 2000 to the Coupe and Roadster, but with slightly lower compression and a two-barrel downdraft carb.
Learnt something

But my point still stands, ie. Alfa Romeo made more of these engines than just for the Spiders hence the high engine number may not be erroneous.
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But my point still stands, ie. Alfa Romeo made more of these engines than just for the Spiders hence the high engine number may not be erroneous.
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Pete.....

There's no drama about the high engine number. It makes sense just from a spare-parts point of view.

However, the existence of Sedans and Sprints does not explain my engine. The Roadster engines were "00204...", the Sprints were "00205...", and the Sedans were "00200...".

My extra engine is a "00204", so only intended for Roadster use. The Sprint and Roadster engines are otherwise identical, however.

Don P
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Past Alfas...
59 102 Touring (first Alfa $500 running)
65 Sprint GT (2nd Alfa, $500 daily driver)
102 Sprint (never did anything with it, but wish I had)
74 Berlina (first new car - now certainly rusted into oblivion)
61 Giulietta Spider G-Prod Race Car (where is it now?)
84 Spider Veloce (rarely drove it, so sold it)
86 Quadrifoglio (Dull car - no more 115s for me)
1971 Montreal "The Full Monty". Fair winds and following seas

Current Alfas
59 102 Touring Roadster - restoration complete, enough Alfa for any rational man. Or irrational, for that matter
Oops. Add to the "present" list, 10204 01488, 2000 Touring Roadster project

And past...
Two 1946 Stampe SV4C (c/n 294 "Rocinante" - wife's favorite airplane. RIP), and c/n 235 "La Bon Temps Femme" (gone to a new home, but never forgotten)
Zlin 50LA (+9 -6 gees, titanium spar, 1200 lbs, 260HP rumored to now be in Brazil)
1946 Luscombe 8A
Starduster Too (recently spotted at the Nevada City, CA airport - over 20 years and an entire continent separating it from our stewardship in Binghamton, NY)
1955 Cessna 170B (wife taught me to fly tailwheel in this)

And present...
64 Mooney M20E ("Rambo". My faithful steed for over 40 years) Over 55 years old, and just returned from a trip to Argentina in him
Newest in the fleet
1967 Piper Super Cub on Wipline amphibious floats (a true "all terrain vehicle")
2010 Triumph Thunderbird


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Pete.....

There's no drama about the high engine number. It makes sense just from a spare-parts point of view.

However, the existence of Sedans and Sprints does not explain my engine. The Roadster engines were "00204...", the Sprints were "00205...", and the Sedans were "00200...".

My extra engine is a "00204", so only intended for Roadster use. The Sprint and Roadster engines are otherwise identical, however.
Gee I'm not sure I can handle learning 2 things in one day ...

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Master blaster

I visited Dexter, the blaster dude, today. They'd got some done over the weekend, but not really all that much. Must have been a sporting event or something trivial that got in the way. The actual hands-on guy, Eric, had a bad toothache today, so not much got done today, either. But, I got to watch a bit, and get a hint of what was under the paint, primer, and bondo.

Not all that bad, on the scale of Touring 102s.

The left sill bottom is unblemished. Wow. Never saw one of those before. Floor boards, ditto. A bit of perforation on the left rocker, but that's not surprising. Some minor perforations in the left door bottom drain-groove. That's a bit more difficult, but we'll work it out.

The media blaster looks like something from Robocop. I should have taken a picture of the trailer-mounted thing, but was more focused on the car. Eric, due to not having a face shield, was holding the blast nozzle at least three feet from the surface of the car, and whatever was on the car was leaving in a hurry. We finally got him a face mask, and to lean in, and things started moving. I'll post a video once I can figure out how.

Anything silver on the car is bare metal.

Also today...

Got the convertible top frame hardware cleaned, and blackened, the clutch slave cylinder dismantled, cleaned, coated, and ready for rebuild, and the front brake adjusters cleaned and ready for reassembly. Lots of moving about the shop in frenetic motion.
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Past Alfas...
59 102 Touring (first Alfa $500 running)
65 Sprint GT (2nd Alfa, $500 daily driver)
102 Sprint (never did anything with it, but wish I had)
74 Berlina (first new car - now certainly rusted into oblivion)
61 Giulietta Spider G-Prod Race Car (where is it now?)
84 Spider Veloce (rarely drove it, so sold it)
86 Quadrifoglio (Dull car - no more 115s for me)
1971 Montreal "The Full Monty". Fair winds and following seas

Current Alfas
59 102 Touring Roadster - restoration complete, enough Alfa for any rational man. Or irrational, for that matter
Oops. Add to the "present" list, 10204 01488, 2000 Touring Roadster project

And past...
Two 1946 Stampe SV4C (c/n 294 "Rocinante" - wife's favorite airplane. RIP), and c/n 235 "La Bon Temps Femme" (gone to a new home, but never forgotten)
Zlin 50LA (+9 -6 gees, titanium spar, 1200 lbs, 260HP rumored to now be in Brazil)
1946 Luscombe 8A
Starduster Too (recently spotted at the Nevada City, CA airport - over 20 years and an entire continent separating it from our stewardship in Binghamton, NY)
1955 Cessna 170B (wife taught me to fly tailwheel in this)

And present...
64 Mooney M20E ("Rambo". My faithful steed for over 40 years) Over 55 years old, and just returned from a trip to Argentina in him
Newest in the fleet
1967 Piper Super Cub on Wipline amphibious floats (a true "all terrain vehicle")
2010 Triumph Thunderbird


You can snap roll an Alfa only one time...

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Pete,

The car we know as the "Berlina" was introduced in the US in 1969 with a 1750, all-aluminum, engine.

The model 10200 four door was referred to in the US as a "Sedan". It may have been referred to as a berlina (small case "b") in Germany, but I'm not sure of that. It had a similar cast-iron 2000 to the Coupe and Roadster, but with slightly lower compression and a two-barrel downdraft carb.
Sales literature indicates the Sedan was called Berlina in Europe. The lower case "b" is insignificant, as the same series of sales documents calls the Spider a "spider" and the Sprint a "sprint" and the Giulietta series as "giulietta" -- at about the same time that some trim scripts changed from "Alfa Romeo" to "alfa romeo", presumably in an attenpt to modernize Alfa's image.

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Maintainer of a private 2600 SZ register (not the one in the Netherlands).[/SIZE]

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Or, were they a "saloon"?

I don't have the answer, but suspect we tend to apply modern nomenclature rules to previous eras.

I consider sales literature to be an inferior source of documentation. These were often prepared by the importer, and not Alfa.

"saloon", "sedan", and "berlina" were generic names from different countries, for a body style. What did Alfa call them in their in-house technical literature?

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Past Alfas...
59 102 Touring (first Alfa $500 running)
65 Sprint GT (2nd Alfa, $500 daily driver)
102 Sprint (never did anything with it, but wish I had)
74 Berlina (first new car - now certainly rusted into oblivion)
61 Giulietta Spider G-Prod Race Car (where is it now?)
84 Spider Veloce (rarely drove it, so sold it)
86 Quadrifoglio (Dull car - no more 115s for me)
1971 Montreal "The Full Monty". Fair winds and following seas

Current Alfas
59 102 Touring Roadster - restoration complete, enough Alfa for any rational man. Or irrational, for that matter
Oops. Add to the "present" list, 10204 01488, 2000 Touring Roadster project

And past...
Two 1946 Stampe SV4C (c/n 294 "Rocinante" - wife's favorite airplane. RIP), and c/n 235 "La Bon Temps Femme" (gone to a new home, but never forgotten)
Zlin 50LA (+9 -6 gees, titanium spar, 1200 lbs, 260HP rumored to now be in Brazil)
1946 Luscombe 8A
Starduster Too (recently spotted at the Nevada City, CA airport - over 20 years and an entire continent separating it from our stewardship in Binghamton, NY)
1955 Cessna 170B (wife taught me to fly tailwheel in this)

And present...
64 Mooney M20E ("Rambo". My faithful steed for over 40 years) Over 55 years old, and just returned from a trip to Argentina in him
Newest in the fleet
1967 Piper Super Cub on Wipline amphibious floats (a true "all terrain vehicle")
2010 Triumph Thunderbird


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Or, were they a "saloon"?

I don't have the answer, but suspect we tend to apply modern nomenclature rules to previous eras.

I consider sales literature to be an inferior source of documentation. These were often prepared by the importer, and not Alfa.

"saloon", "sedan", and "berlina" were generic names from different countries, for a body style. What did Alfa call them in their in-house technical literature?
Here are the answers from the Italian and English parts catalogs:

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So, in English, we have Sedans and Roadsters, just as I remembered.

Don P
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Past Alfas...
59 102 Touring (first Alfa $500 running)
65 Sprint GT (2nd Alfa, $500 daily driver)
102 Sprint (never did anything with it, but wish I had)
74 Berlina (first new car - now certainly rusted into oblivion)
61 Giulietta Spider G-Prod Race Car (where is it now?)
84 Spider Veloce (rarely drove it, so sold it)
86 Quadrifoglio (Dull car - no more 115s for me)
1971 Montreal "The Full Monty". Fair winds and following seas

Current Alfas
59 102 Touring Roadster - restoration complete, enough Alfa for any rational man. Or irrational, for that matter
Oops. Add to the "present" list, 10204 01488, 2000 Touring Roadster project

And past...
Two 1946 Stampe SV4C (c/n 294 "Rocinante" - wife's favorite airplane. RIP), and c/n 235 "La Bon Temps Femme" (gone to a new home, but never forgotten)
Zlin 50LA (+9 -6 gees, titanium spar, 1200 lbs, 260HP rumored to now be in Brazil)
1946 Luscombe 8A
Starduster Too (recently spotted at the Nevada City, CA airport - over 20 years and an entire continent separating it from our stewardship in Binghamton, NY)
1955 Cessna 170B (wife taught me to fly tailwheel in this)

And present...
64 Mooney M20E ("Rambo". My faithful steed for over 40 years) Over 55 years old, and just returned from a trip to Argentina in him
Newest in the fleet
1967 Piper Super Cub on Wipline amphibious floats (a true "all terrain vehicle")
2010 Triumph Thunderbird


You can snap roll an Alfa only one time...
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