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2019 Means... 164 Cloverleaf 24V!

Anyone have any experience with these rather interesting and complex models? Tons of power, 6-speed manual, AWD. Are they worth the extra money? Here's a nice one in Germany (1-owner) for reference.

https://www.autoscout24.com/offers/a...4e93?cldtidx=5

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Q4? Yes worth it. Fantastic car and AWD system. 6 speed Getrag gearbox is amazing too. You won't get it here though. You'd have to wait.


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...You'd have to wait.
Jason, it appears to be first registered Sept 1994, (or it's a model year '94 so bought in '93?). Going by reg year it should be good to come in under the 25 year exemption, no?
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Jason, it appears to be first registered Sept 1994, (or it's a model year '94 so bought in '93?). Going by reg year it should be good to come in under the 25 year exemption, no?
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Yes it should. Man how time flies! Last month My statement would be correct. lol If in the military I am sure he can get it here easy.


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I've been driving my 164L again since my wife gave it back to me. I was going to sell it.

After every drive I just cannot compose the used car sales ad.

My 164L is a step up from the base model but that base model would drive the same. I cannot imagine how good a quattrofoglio version might be.

These cars are really, really good. If you can find one in roadworthy condition and you know how to service them or know someone who does they really are a no brainer buy for a true car enthusiast.

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Brilliant versions of the 164. Correction, best version of the 164 ever - personal owner mod possibilities aside. Love AWD but the downside is, ironically, the ability to handle a lot more power but having no more than a 24v Cloverleaf while carrying more weight and transmission losses.
To me the only logical answer is simple: get the AWD version and then beast the engine - which is exactly what the car would become, in a very good way, in my humble opinion :-)
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No sunroof? Forget it.
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No sunroof? Forget it.
Best 164 I ever had was my Originale with NO sunroof.
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In general, 164 sunroofs have ended up being a pain in the neck, with maintenance problems galore. The only way we might use the ones in our own 164s every very few times is to just pop the back up a little to vent out inside hot air from when the car has been sitting in the sun. Otherwise, we never touch them. Can easily live without them, and wouldn't pick a car with one if I had the choice.

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There was a Q4 for sale in the UK last year with a 3.5L modified V6 and a bust (but apparently repairable) gearbox that sold for £2000! I had fantasies about importing it and doing a RHD conversion using my 24V 164. Alas it sold
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There was a Q4 for sale in the UK last year with a 3.5L modified V6 and a bust (but apparently repairable) gearbox that sold for £2000! I had fantasies about importing it and doing a RHD conversion using my 24V 164. Alas it sold
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Glad I missed that. Would have spent a fortune on modifying/repairing it
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Best 164 I ever had was my Originale with NO sunroof.
Yup, never used it. I bought my new giulia with no sunroof and love it. They are a pain!


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Glass sunroofs are worst because of the weight, high up.

Buyers rarely think of the double steel roof a normal sunroof installation requires and the glass panel is significantly heavier than the steel cut out to make room for it.

Modern climate control systems make sunroof ventilation outdated. Global open for the power windows is a far more efficient feature for rapid expulsion of hot air inside the cabin. 90% of the hot air can be expelled as you walk up to the car. Two minutes driving with the AC on max and all windows open will complete the task. The main delay in cooling the interior is cooling all the solid stuff, especially the hvac system itself. Air does not hold much heat and is a lousy conductor of heat, especially when dehumidified as AC air is, which is another reason the AC takes a while to cool the interior.

Serious drivers do not order sunroofs unless they need to stay happily married. Women like them for some reason, especially middle aged women. .....

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Glass sunroofs are worst because of the weight, high up.

Buyers rarely think of the double steel roof a normal sunroof installation requires and the glass panel is significantly heavier than the steel cut out to make room for it.

Modern climate control systems make sunroof ventilation outdated. Global open for the power windows is a far more efficient feature for rapid expulsion of hot air inside the cabin. 90% of the hot air can be expelled as you walk up to the car. Two minutes driving with the AC on max and all windows open will complete the task. The main delay in cooling the interior is cooling all the solid stuff, especially the hvac system itself. Air does not hold much heat and is a lousy conductor of heat, especially when dehumidified as AC air is, which is another reason the AC takes a while to cool the interior.

Serious drivers do not order sunroofs unless they need to stay happily married. Women like them for some reason, especially middle aged women. .....
Serious drivers? I've been racing cars for 20+ years, and both my Benzes, my Camaro, and obviously my Alfa all have sunroof and I love them. My wife honestly couldn't care less, she kinda likes it but if her car didn't have it she wouldn't mind. In fact hers has the panoramic roof, the kids enjoy it too (seeing the lights and stars and planes).

They aren't outdated and it has nothing to do with expelling hot air. I like the sunlight, I like the open airiness of a car with the windows down and sunroof open. People like sun roofs, they feel similarly to what I do, hence why so many cars have them nearly standard. Mercedes, BMW, etc doesn't just toss in a very expensive modification to the roof of a car so guys can keep their wives happy.

Not everything about a car is a clinical efficiency exercise. If it was we are driving the wrong cars, because Alfa is all about enjoying the drive, not the best possible design to do it.
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