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Euro 164 Super - restoration project now completed

Hello all,

I've been the owner of a 1997 Super TwinSpark since 2009 and have been on this forum on and off to get some technical answers. Since I've owned it (and at the start it was a rescue from the scrapyard) I've been working on getting it in near factory condition. From 2012 to 2017 the 164 did not even drive as it was so far disassembled. As a little thank you and inspiration to others I wanted to show you a number of pictures from the last nearly 10 years.

First of all my "garage" here:
https://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/gar...hicle_id=14524


It looked decent from a distance
DSCN3281 by M R, on Flickr
DSCN3276 by M R, on Flickr
DSCN2730 by M R, on Flickr
IMG_4570 by M R, on Flickr
DSCN3218 by M R, on Flickr
50c077140ae3e105d302a17861921660 by M R, on Flickr

Looking in detail the body clearly showed heavy wear and damages
[IMG]DSCN2780 by M R, on Flickr[/IMG]
DSCN2741 by M R, on Flickr
DSCN2739 by M R, on Flickr
IMG096 by M R, on Flickr
db_P10906231 by M R, on Flickr
DSCN2766 by M R, on Flickr

On a trip to Italy the exhaust and the V-belts gave up. On a trip to Belgium the gearbox gave up. I had to chance the gearbox outside in the winter.
276 by M R, on Flickr
284 by M R, on Flickr
That is when I decided to get serious


Rear axle
DSC_0019_1 by M R, on Flickr
IMG_20180723_215329 by M R, on Flickr
IMG_20180724_211401 by M R, on Flickr

Front axle
DSC_0054_6 by M R, on Flickr
DSC_0064_5 by M R, on Flickr
DSC_0068_4 by M R, on Flickr
DSC_0075_4 by M R, on Flickr
DSC_0095_3 by M R, on Flickr
DSC_0016_1 by M R, on Flickr
IMG_20170704_120948 by M R, on Flickr

Body
DSC_0066_4 by M R, on Flickr
DSC_0001_11 by M R, on Flickr
DSC_0003_11 by M R, on Flickr
DSC_0004_11 by M R, on Flickr
DSC_0005_8 by M R, on Flickr
DSC_0006_9 by M R, on Flickr
DSC_0026_2 by M R, on Flickr
DSC_0032_3 by M R, on Flickr
DSC_0007_19 by M R, on Flickr
DSC_0001_36 by M R, on Flickr
DSC_0003_30 by M R, on Flickr
DSC_0004_28 by M R, on Flickr
DSC_0008_19 by M R, on Flickr
DSC_0013_16 by M R, on Flickr
DSC_0014_16 by M R, on Flickr
DSC_0019_14 by M R, on Flickr



Engine and engine bay
DSC_0048_6 by M R, on Flickr
DSC_0092_4 by M R, on Flickr
DSC_0111 by M R, on Flickr
DSC_0112 by M R, on Flickr
DSC_0113 by M R, on Flickr

Interior
DSC_0012 by M R, on Flickr
DSC_0030 by M R, on Flickr
DSC_0036 by M R, on Flickr
DSC_0043 by M R, on Flickr
DSC_0003_14 by M R, on Flickr
DSC_0004_14 by M R, on Flickr

Bits n pieces
DSC_0012_7 by M R, on Flickr
DSC_0016_6 by M R, on Flickr
DSC_0035_2 by M R, on Flickr
DSC_0037_1 by M R, on Flickr
DSC_0160 by M R, on Flickr
IMG_20180413_124110 by M R, on Flickr
IMG_20180414_155037 by M R, on Flickr
IMG_20180422_131148 by M R, on Flickr
IMG_20180610_193210 by M R, on Flickr
IMG_20180610_202150 by M R, on Flickr
IMG_20180702_180747 by M R, on Flickr
IMG_20170729_182007 by M R, on Flickr
IMG_20170730_193229 by M R, on Flickr
IMG_20180413_103244 by M R, on Flickr
IMG_20180624_160742 by M R, on Flickr

2006 Citroen C1, 1997 Alfa Romeo 164 Super TwinSpark (restored), 2003 Volvo XC70 2.5t, 1979 VW LT campervan diesel, 1988 Corvette (imported from USA)

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Man this is awesome. I really love seeing people restore these instead of trash them.


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To summarize:

Rear axle: new shocks, new top mounts, nearly all bushings new, subframe rust removed and coated, new brakes, new bearings, all parts cleaned and rust removed
Front axle: same as rear axle
Engine & engine bay: new motor mounts, new fuel pump, refurbished/new injectors, new radiator, new thermostat, new OEM spark plugs, new filters and all oils/coolants replaced, new multi-V belts, electrical wiring harness checked for damages, cleaned and retaped, coolant reservoir cleaned, etc.
Interior: climate control display refurbished, all dashboard lights replaced, gear lever mechanism replaced (due to an untraceable rattle in it), wiring harness checked, cleaned upholstery, added auto-dim mirror from V6, added OEM tweeters in the doorpanels, etc.
Body: checked for rust everywhere and many points removed rust and coated, new front windshield, all visible sheet metal stripped down to metal, full body repaint in the factory delivered color
Bits n pieces: replaced headlamp glass, cleaned all rubbers, cleaned an painted all plastic linings, added OEM option wheels and refurbished them, repaired windshield wiper system, etc.


So it is nearly new! It sure drives like a new one. I have tons of i that still need a dot and there are still plenty of little parts that are waiting to get mounted or replaced.
My target was to get to almost as it came out of the factory. I have also been tracing the history of the car and I know exactly what specs it had when it left the factory and who the delivering dealer was. It has always been a Dutch car.

In 2017 I spoke with Marco Fazia from the Heritage department of FCA and showed him my car. He was excited about it and mentioned that he has a V6 Super himself. We exchanged adresses where to get parts as he faces the same challenge.

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IMG_20170506_122212_resized_20170508_094915663 by M R, on Flickr
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Man this is awesome. I really love seeing people restore these instead of trash them.
Thanks!
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Wow, amazing

If my car comes out half as good as yours it will be amazing. Great job.

-RL; 1991 Alfa Romeo 164S, 2014 Mercedes Benz E350 4Matic, 2010 Chevrolet Camaro SS, 2008 Chevrolet Silverado 2500HD, 1995 Volkswagen Golf (Race Car)
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What a display of love for the Alfa! Good job! can't say more.

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Talk about a ton of work, but the result is simply grand.

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Well done! I applaud your efforts.

I hope to have the engine back in my 164-S soon; before I forget where everything goes...

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Odd the things you notice - I hadn't realised that the twinspark had 4 stud hubs.

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Thanks, everyone. It was a labor of love. And frustration too. It has been a little over a year since it first rolled down the street again and I am still chasing some last reliability issues. Taking things apart generates new problems too. When I first bought the car it was just an old Alfa and people did not notice it. Now so many years further they became extremely rare (there are about as many TVR's registered here as there are 164) and the condition of my car makes it really an eye-catcher. With my Corvette, it's mostly with the 16 and under but with the 164 it is 30 and up. It draws a lot of attention at events and driving it on the highway makes the attention interesting too.

I hope this serves as an inspiration to others. I have cursed at it so many times when a repair was hard to do when chasing for parts took weeks or months or when I had new problems appearing. But now I am getting to the point that I overcame all of that it is such a beautiful and fantastic car to drive and look at.
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Odd the things you notice - I hadn't realised that the twinspark had 4 stud hubs.
Indeed it has. For the front end, it makes sense as the hub is different from the V6 to handle the thinner driveshafts. For the rear, it is identical other than the stud pattern. And now they had to make a double set of wheels. Very Italian of them.
Other than that there is far less weight at the front allowing for different front spring setting (again rear is the same) and having a 50-50 weight distribution. It makes them very agile compared to the V6. I like both but the characters are very different.

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You certainly did a cracking job on it, to my mind the twin spark has been a little neglected in the alfa world, it may not have the pure grunt of the v6 but it is more balanced to throw into the twisty bits and still has enough to drive rings around the German efforts.

I have had 164s since the mid nineties and my current drive is much like yours, rebuilt more as a labour of love than any reason other than I have never found anything that gives the same mixture of practicality and fun.

I do have a fair collection of trim/interior fittings (Including a brand new alloy like the ones you have refurbished) if your stuck, drop me a PM as I may have it.
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I think we all rebuild these for a labor of love and nothing else in mind. We would be considered bat***** Crazy! Spending thousands on a car now worth little.


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You certainly did a cracking job on it, to my mind the twin spark has been a little neglected in the alfa world, it may not have the pure grunt of the v6 but it is more balanced to throw into the twisty bits and still has enough to drive rings around the German efforts.

I have had 164s since the mid nineties and my current drive is much like yours, rebuilt more as a labour of love than any reason other than I have never found anything that gives the same mixture of practicality and fun.

I do have a fair collection of trim/interior fittings (Including a brand new alloy like the ones you have refurbished) if your stuck, drop me a PM as I may have it.
Thanks for the offer. I will keep it in mind. But so far so good as there was just last year a 1997MY lost in an accident. I got access to the remains of it.
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