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post #1 of 4 (permalink) Old 11-15-2015, 04:01 PM Thread Starter
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Headgasket or cracked head

Greetings BB, I had overheating issue last week that I have been sorting thru. I thought I had dodged a bullet on the headgasket but when warming the car up I noticed that nr 5 sparkplug well was full of oil and bubbling out. I now have chocolate oil so I know the headgasket is blown but I was wondering if the oil in nr 5 sparkplug well indicates a cracked head or will a bad headgasket do this? Thanks 91S 75k miles

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You may indeed have a blown head gasket, but try draining the oil, replace with fresh and then retorque the heads. Many 91/93 164s end up with poorly torqued heads after many thousands of miles. I had the same thing with my 91S, chocolate mousse under the valve covers, but a retorque to the max level in the manual fixed it for now 80k miles with no problems.

If the retorque doesn't fix the mousse problem, then yes, the head gasket is leaking.

The other problem, of oil in the well, is usually a bad or misplaced plug well gasket under the cam cover. Easily remedied by either relocating the rubber gasket or replacing with a new one. Not a problem with head gaskets. Since you say the oil is bubbling, also check that the #5 plug is torqued to between about 18 to 24 ft-lbs, and that it has a proper ring washer under it.

The worst case for the bubbling might be a cracked head, but my feeling is that a cracked head is not that common. Hopefully, it's not that.

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Thanks Del, I was curious about the bubbling oil because I didn't have that problem before the overheating. I think the overheating was caused by thermostat sticking shut, I have replaced that so I will retorque. Thanks

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Be sure to check all the plugs for proper torque as well. If #5 was a little loose, maybe change it for a new one with an uncrushed plug washer.

Keep us posted.

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62 Morris MiniMinor 850, 67 Austin 1275 Cooper S (Downton 3/4 race), 64 Giulia Sprint GT (1st red one made), 72 Fiat 128 Sedan, 75 Alfetta Sedan, 78 Alfetta Sedan, 78 GTV, 81 GTV6, 86 GTV6
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