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post #1 of 6 (permalink) Old 07-20-2015, 10:37 AM Thread Starter
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Is it common for the windows, i.e. back seat, to become loose / get off track? I wasn't having any issues putting windows up or down until this morning. I cracked the two back windows on my way to work. Got to work and tried to put the back one up and it went partially up. I could wiggle the window a bit with my hands -- it shouldn't be that loose. Crikey
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You may have a striipped gear in window regulator. Did it make a noise when it stopped? Try lowering window slightly with switch to see if it will move.

Then try pulling up and top of glass and push window switch for up and see it yo can get be bad teeth in regulator.

Window can seem loose in rear when down a bit.

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No noise. I can still put it down and it goes up approximately half way before stopping
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The window is grasped by a clamp at the bottom of the pane. That might a little loose, which would let the window go down, but jam part way up. The rear vertical track of the window can generate a high resistance if not lubed with something like silicone spray. Then, if the window is loose and rotates, it can jam in that track. Try lubing that track first of all before doing anything else. Check the track for damage.

Or, there is something loose with the regulator mechanism itself, causing that clamp to jam on something.

Or, as Steve mentions, there may be something wrong with the big plastic gear in the gearbox attached to the motor, usually it does make noise. Also as he mentions, the window can seem a little loose when part way down. If the gear is damaged, you will have to find a used complete regulator from a wrecked 164, same door location, as the regulator mechanisms are unique for each door as I recall. The plastic gear itself can be replaced from another regulator from a different door if it is from the same vintage 164 if one chooses to rebuild the original regulator. You have to slightly modify (cut a couple of slots) the gear to remove it from the integral cable and install it in the original gearbox. I've done this with a used set as a trial run.

You will have to take the inside door panel off to see what is hanging up as you try the switch. Hopefully it is only something loose in the door, a loose fastener, etc.

BTW, the regulator is easy to change if you have to do that. Is tricky, though and takes fiddling around to get it oriented to come out the access hole. The window needs to be part way down to release the clamp, and then held up with duct tape or a wedge (or both) to keep it clear of the mechanism as that is removed and reinstalled.

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post #5 of 6 (permalink) Old 07-20-2015, 05:06 PM Thread Starter
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Well, I ran to Group2 and my guy temporarily fixed it. Basically a combination of fiddling with the switch and manually pulling the window up. It's something I will get permanently fixed in September when I do the front control arms, driver's door panel (which is pulling away from door frame), and a few other things.

Ah, so nice...

Oh yeah, got 4 quarts of oil while at Group2. Whoops. Guess I need to check the oil a lot more often.
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"Oh yeah, got 4 quarts of oil while at Group2. Whoops. Guess I need to check the oil a lot more often."

I'd say. I check the 91S every other filling (~200-250 miles), as it only gets about 300 miles to the qt. Carlo says that many 91S's use that much oil because they got bad oil rings in assy at the factory. Earlier V6 Alfas didn't, neither did later years, including the 24V. Our Milano uses none, same as the LS.

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