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post #76 of 108 (permalink) Old 01-08-2015, 09:52 PM Thread Starter
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New Zealand recently lowered the driving alcohol limit. They are doing frequent spot checks over Christmas and the vacation period. We got stopped twice last evening in 10 minutes on the way home. The 1st time was a spot check. I'd had a glass of Hawkes Bay red wine for lunch around noon, but nothing since. It was after 8pm so I was safe The second time I was told I was driving to slow, but there was no traffic behind me and we were enjoying the beautiful evening and drive around the bays to our house sit at Island Bay. I was given another breathalyzer at the 2nd stop and told they were doing frequent checks...no kidding

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While waiting for the ferry to Days Bay yesterday, this New Zealand navy vessel was pointed out to me. Reminds me of the Royal Canadian Air Farce
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"New Zealand recently lowered the driving alcohol limit"

Paranoid they are, like the Scandinavian Countries. I've read that studies have indicated that zero tolerance doesn't do much at all, as the problem has been shown to be primarily those who repeatedly violate any law and drink to 2 or 3 times or more above our 0.08 percent limit. It's been demonstrated that lowering that limit toward zero results in no change in hazardous drunk driving rates worth talking about, except make more quite capable people in violation. I just read that GB just lowered the limit low enough so that they figure 1/2 pint of ale could put one in violation.

If you drive, makes it difficult to enjoy a nice dinner. Esp if it's just the two of you with no designated driver. It does kill sales.

Plus, some States here such as Washington do not allow roadside checks like that, because of no probable cause I guess. I remember when we used to have them... "your papers, sir"

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In fact, a recent front page story in The Dominion Post, Wellington newspaper highlited what a disaster the holiday police effort was in reducing accidents and road deaths. In fact they went up from last year despite numerous check points and aggressive patrolling. It doesn't work!

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In fact, a recent front page story in The Dominion Post, Wellington newspaper highlited what a disaster the holiday police effort was in reducing accidents and road deaths. In fact they went up from last year despite numerous check points and aggressive patrolling. It doesn't work!
We've just done the same. Silly. But popular, I mean who can be in favour of "drunk driving"?

The science is very clear: at 80 mg percent (.08) very few drivers are not impaired. That's quite a lot to drink for most of us. At 50 mg percent almost nobody is any more impaired than they might be after driving too long so as to be fatigued, driving after a bad night's sleep, driving after an argument with your wife, etc etc. furthermore, these other factors are not additive to impairment by alcohol. You are safer at .05 than after an all nighter (no drinks but no sleep,either).

But I digress. NZ is still adapting to the requirement you be licensed to drive. It had previously been regarded as a birthright and the necessary skill learned on the family farm. Much like Western Canada in fact. Where I live it is routine to get your learners permit at age 14 and farm kids still learn to drive each vehicle as they reach the required height to operate the vehicle in question.

As for the rest of the World, kiwis are concerned about MVA death and injury rates and in typical kiwi fashion are going at it from an education and testing perspective. Young kiwis were having a lot of very bad accidents.

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The roads are windy, twisty and narrow. There are only short sections of 4 lane highways. I find the speed limits high for the road conditions, but if you live here I guess you get used to it. I haven't driven the South Island yet. It may be different there, but I doubt it.

A lot of things are surprising me about NZ, mostly environmental things. It's not that they are bad environmentally. It's just that I expected them to be so much better than the rest of us and they aren't. They're about the same.

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Just depends on which roads you are on. some are pretty straight and higher speed, others are very winding, been on many of both, and there you have to learn to drive in an aggressive sort of way to avoid being overtaken by the locals. Actually, many of those really curvy roads get pretty tiring after a while.

The Sound Island is the same, although there are many more stretches of fairly straight highways, both 2 and 4 lane. The South Island is certainly easier to drive, the traffic not as crowded, and the residents not as "active", seem to be more laid back.

Also, we decided the south Island is a very pretty land. More grandeur than the north in many areas.

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If we were here mainly as a tourist I'd probably be spending a lot more time on the South Island. We basically came to see my son who's been living in Japan for 17 years and our 7 month old grandson. They are in Wellington. That's why we've spent so much time here and haven't done much in the way of normal tourist site seeing. We leave the house sit Sunday for some camping around Napier and Hawkes Bay then back to Turangi for a couple of days, then to the South Island for a week. On Jan 24, Kerry will finally get the 164 he bought! It's been really great having it to get around while we've been here.

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The roads are windy, twisty and narrow. There are only short sections of 4 lane highways. I find the speed limits high for the road conditions, but if you live here I guess you get used to it. I haven't driven the South Island yet. It may be different there, but I doubt it.

A lot of things are surprising me about NZ, mostly environmental things. It's not that they are bad environmentally. It's just that I expected them to be so much better than the rest of us and they aren't. They're about the same.
Everything grows so quickly in NZ the kiwis aren't used to the idea of not clear cutting or not using herbicide to kill roadside weeds (some use tethered goats though, sort of environmental, and you can milk the goats, well some of them, and eat them, though not at the same time). What looks like a bit of greenery trashing to us is just gardening to a kiwi.

The back roads are lightly travelled and kiwis are used to that. Most kiwis are aware of the need to hug the inside of a left hand bend just in case someone in a hurry is coming the other way that day. Young kiwis often drive a bit above their ability and some great racing drivers have resulted. Unfortunately, some dead teenagers have also resulted which gives rise to the justifiable concern for better road safety. Driving skills are good and behaviour on the main roads is exemplary. Just those lightly travelled backroads you really have to watch for. Plus all the tourists not used to driving on the wrong side of the road...

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" Plus all the tourists not used to driving on the wrong side of the road... "

Something my wife and I have never had a problem with, myself having maybe 30k miles on that side of the road in various countries. Pulling out of parking lots is the most dangerous situation, as for one, you tend to look the wrong way, and two, you pull into the wrong lane. Once on the road, however, you get pretty used to driving and shifting that left hand gearshift lever, lol. Oh, as well, the darn inside mirror is always in the wrong location from what you are used to.

We found that for tourists, it really takes two do decent driving on the other said of the road. One to drive, the other to mind the maps and scream a warning now and then. Great fun.

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Interesting perspective Michael. My experience here differs from yours I've found the sides of the roads to be well mowed and maintained in the country. I've seen several areas that have been clear cut when we went off the main roads around Turangi. In Wellington especially, I find local drivers often cross the center line around blind corners, often driving to fast in my opinion.

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Drivers often fold the mirrors in on parked vehicles on narrow city roads. I've seen several cars with the mirrors broken off, dangling by wires and many with dents and dings from side swipes again on the narrow city streets.

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"Drivers often fold the mirrors in on parked vehicles on narrow city roads"

Didn't have much trouble about that in Kiwiland cities, but then again we didn't often drive into the tightest areas. didn't see many folded mirrors.

Italy is where you have to practice that all the time when driving and parking in hill towns, esp in southern Italy and Sicily, etc. Once in a while we almost scrapped ours and their folded mirrors, the streets were so tight when driving to our B+B's. That was in a newer Giulietta.

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I was hoping to wash the 164 before setting off in the morning, but the parking spot in front of our house sit where the hose is has another vehicle there We had a lot of running around to do today to get ready for Hawkes Bay camping. Guess I'll have to be content with cleaning the windshield and find a car wash on the way. I'm learning not to use the word route here...bad word

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Stayed overnight in Taupo. Found this outdoor portable ice rink and had to take it in. The fat old guy who hasn't skated in a couple of years was the best on the ice
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