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34 mm ish
Perfect same size as my golf, I have that one in my toolbox ready to go.

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Anyway does anyone know the size of the axle nut off the top of their head?
36mm for front OEM axle nut. I had to grind the socket a bit to get this one to fit.
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Takes a 36MM socket and a major cheater bar or a major torque air impact gun for front axle nut. Real he-man torque wrench for about 300 lb ft of torque to reinstall. It is best to try to loosen nut with wheel still on the ground.

Why do you need axle nuts off?

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post #13939 of 14247 (permalink) Old 05-03-2019, 06:23 PM
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36mm for front OEM axle nut. I had to grind the socket a bit to get this one to fit.
Great so my Impact sockets are not going to fit.

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Takes a 36MM socket and a major cheater bar or a major torque air impact gun for front axle nut. Real he-man torque wrench for about 300 lb ft of torque to reinstall. It is best to try to loosen nut with wheel still on the ground.

Why do you need axle nuts off?
I have a 4 foot cheater bar I use for them on my Golf, because I change wheelbearings every 2-3 races.

I want to have them loose on the Alfa because I am replacing the control arms/balljoints and considering the rust down there I want to make sure I can easily remove the spindle if needed if I need to go ahead and cut the ball joint off, it will make it a lot easier.

May have to fire up the compressor too it seems.

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Great so my Impact sockets are not going to fit.



I have a 4 foot cheater bar I use for them on my Golf, because I change wheelbearings every 2-3 races.

I want to have them loose on the Alfa because I am replacing the control arms/balljoints and considering the rust down there I want to make sure I can easily remove the spindle if needed if I need to go ahead and cut the ball joint off, it will make it a lot easier.

May have to fire up the compressor too it seems.
I have used the 36mm socket and a 4ft cheater to loosen some while standing on it, doing very quick bursts on the cheater. Came undone fine. Also some relief cuts in the spindle nut can help.
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I remove brake caliper, inner cv.joint bolt nuts, 3 lower ball joint bolts, 4 lower strut bolts, tie rod end. and remove axle, spindle and wheel hub asst as one unit. Disconnect ABS CABLE, too as sender frozen in spindle.

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I remove brake caliper, inner cv.joint bolt nuts, 3 lower ball joint bolts, 4 lower strut bolts, tie rod end. and remove axle, spindle and wheel hub asst as one unit. Disconnect ABS CABLE, too as sender frozen in spindle.

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I've decided what I may do is just see if i can get lucky in removing the balljoint before doing anything, if I get lucky then no worries, if not then I'll go for the axle nut. I need the axle out of the spindle so I can attack the top of the balljoint either with a socket and impact, or just cut the **** thing off.

Now the good news is I drowned everything in PB blaster for 2 weeks straight.

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I've decided what I may do is just see if i can get lucky in removing the balljoint before doing anything, if I get lucky then no worries, if not then I'll go for the axle nut. I need the axle out of the spindle so I can attack the top of the balljoint either with a socket and impact, or just cut the **** thing off.

Now the good news is I drowned everything in PB blaster for 2 weeks straight.
You can get the ball joint off the taper in the spindle without pulling the axle by removing cotter key and nut with open end wrench. the use big hammer and tie rod end removal fork. You can also drive a wedge between BJ nut and outer CV joint.

Air impact gun (pneumatic air hammer) with fork or flat mushroom head to drive rivets handy tool for working on Alfas.


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You can get the ball joint off the taper in the spindle without pulling the axle by removing cotter key and nut with open end wrench. the use big hammer and tie rod end removal fork. You can also drive a wedge between BJ nut and outer CV joint.

Air impact gun (pneumatic air hammer) with fork or flat mushroom head to drive rivets handy tool for working on Alfas.

I have a lot of air tools but not that one, I'll need to pick one up.

My main concern was that nut is super rusty and my luck will strip/come apart. I have large flare nut wrenches so I will likely try those just in case. If I can get that off without removing the axle then I don't need to do the axle nut so that will be the aim.

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I swear the universe is against me working on this car.

I get outside get setup, it had rained this morning but was supposed to be dry the rest of the day. I go to plug in my quick jack to drop the car to the ground as I wanted to measure the stock ride height (ground to wheelwell) and I plug it in and it pops the breaker. clean up the wiring etc, pops it again. I go to open the electrical box, screw strips instantly, drill it out, open the box, all clean inside, all connected, I think maybe moisture got in somewhere else, who knows. I brought the pump inside to dry out maybe that will do it. Then I say screw it I'll just match the coilovers to the stock parts as close as I can and drop from there, I take 2 caliper bolts off and the skies open up and it starts pouring. Tools wet, me wet.

I finally get a day that I'm free ALL DAY to work on the car, and I got totally screwed. I literally can't win.

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could have been worse, if you had gone out and bought a 34mm ish socket...ÖÖÖ...
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Well someone must have heard me complaining because as luck would have it the sun came out, dried things up, and I got a good couple hours out there. I basically disassembled most of both sides of the front end. Discovered some fun things:

- The swaybar on the passenger side of the car was not attached, at all. The endlink was on, but the actual bushing to the frame had the bracket stuck to it but no bolts. I found one bolt and it had almost no thread left on it. The holes are still there, its not rotted out, just a bit grimey. I may need to get in there with the tap to tap out the holes again, but thats sketchy.

- I think based on what I read here I may need a master cylinder. When I disconnected the drivers caliper not a drop of brake fluid came out. BONE DRY. Explains the sketchy brakes. I havent checked the rears but neither of them really work, so I'd anticipate this may be my problem.

- The ball joint nuts came right out. I mean yes they were super tight, but I put my 19mm flare nut wrench on them and was able to break both loose and remove the nuts.

Thats about where I wrapped up for the day, my 1 year old is waking up right about now....

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Some hope for new Alfas

At Calif Speedway/Fontana/Auto Club today for a track event. Our Chapter tags along with bigger groups in order to get onto big, expensive, tracks from time to time. I saw a '17 Giulia, was signed up and this is what I found. He is a track rat and usually drives a RX7 on the track but brought out his Giulia when he saw our Club would be there. He is well under 55 and is about at the end of his 2 yr lease. He leased the Alfa because of things he read about performance, etc. He has not been disappointed with the Giulia but is not sure what car he will replace it with. "Oh, and my girlfriend will be here soon and she has a Giulia also." She has the same story with her '17 Giulia. Both are delightful people.
So there is some hope for us.
Here is a pic of the 2 Giulias. And guess what, we were photobombed by this other car. I think it is British. 3 others were there to support the one in this photo. GAWD over $800k of McLarens.

Once I asked something like "Gee, how many Alfettas could I buy with $800k?" Answer: "All of them!!!"

But on a negative note, driving home in my Alfetta GT I came up on a red Giulia on the freeway. I pulled along side, no notice. I changed lanes all around him, no notice. We still have some work to do on the Brand.

Oh, how fast is a 4C on this Speedway? It hits about 130 at the end of the front stretch going into turn 1. Slowing down to maybe 100-105 at the exit of 2. Cal Speedway is seriously banked. We do not use the whole oval but enter the front straight at the end of turn 4 and exit back into the infield mid way on the backstretch before turn 3.
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"But on a negative note, driving home in my Alfetta GT I came up on a red Giulia on the freeway. I pulled along side, no notice. I changed lanes all around him, no notice. We still have some work to do on the Brand."

In reply/response to (IRRT) Paul's statement, I took my S to Cars and Coffee event yesterday. Had a couple guys go absolutely gaga over it. But I failed to see a dark gray Giulia in another row when I drove in late.

I was taking to a guy with a 55 Chevy I had meet last month when the Giulia drove right by us leaving as the gang was breaking up for the 10 am curfew. Pretty sure I saw that same Giulia driving on the street last month in town.

My S was in the next row over so don't fault them for not seeing my S.
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