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I use regular 87 rated gasoline with 10% corn oil added in my S unless I plan a roadtrip in the summertime.

Our choices here are 87 and 91.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating

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post #10397 of 14314 (permalink) Old 03-08-2017, 04:58 AM
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We use 98 RON in all our Alfas, except the diesel of course. The 92 in Australia is crap and I wouldn't put it in any decent car. The 95 is kind of pointless in my opinion because 98 runs cleaner, performs better and is more economical. In fact I have heard they are thinking about dropping 95. Your standard ULP in Europe and US is probably better quality than ours. My brother won't even use ours in his lawnmower.

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2010 159 ti 1750 TBI sedan (red).
2004 GT 3.2 V6 (Stromboli Grey).
2008 159 TI Sportwagon 2.4 JTDM (Stromboli Grey).
1987 75 3 litre (red). My first 75 and now my son's.
2000 156 2 litre Twin Spark, ( Cosmos Blu metallic), my daughter's car.
2000 156 Monza Twin Spark, (Cosmos Blue metallic), sonís girlfiendís car.
1999 GTV 3 litre 24 valve V6, metallic black, (sonís new car).

Non Alfa
1988 Range Rover Classic Highline 3.9 V8

Past Alfas
1989 75 3 litre, written off by runaway van.
1990 75 3 litre Potenziata (black), now sold & living in Newcastle NSW.
1990 75 3 litre Potenziata (grey, sadly deceased due to fire).
1982 GTV 2 litre, red, (daughter's first Alfa)
2 x 1992 164s, (1 red, 1 grey).
2 x 1988 33s, (both red).
1985 GTV 2 litre, (white).
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We use 98 RON in all our Alfas, except the diesel of course. The 92 in Australia is crap and I wouldn't put it in any decent car. The 95 is kind of pointless in my opinion because 98 runs cleaner, performs better and is more economical. In fact I have heard they are thinking about dropping 95. Your standard ULP in Europe and US is probably better quality than ours. My brother won't even use ours in his lawnmower.
Your 98 must be our 91 see chart in this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating

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post #10399 of 14314 (permalink) Old 03-08-2017, 06:59 AM
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the lower the octane=the cleaner the fuel.why do folks get the idea the higher the # the cleaner.the higher the number=the more crap they put in it to retard ignition.
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All gasoline in NA is "clean". It is filtered several times to remove...dirt. Additives are needed in higher compression engines to prevent pre-ignition. Additives aren't there to make gasoline dirty. They are there to reduce deposits are a result of combustion and to prevent pre ignition.
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Automatic 164 24V is a delight. Faster 0-60 than the manual trans, easier in stop-n-go SoCal traffic, and saved my bacon when I had broken left ankle. I loved that car.

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no Oz, the insurance can be dropped if the car isn't being driven. I'm not aware that cars can be de-registered here. Just parked. Not that it matters since insurance for us is dirt cheap. Both Alfa's are about 500 euro per year. I've never seen a 75 in a junkyard here and 164's are very hard to find in them as well. Getting NOS parts is pretty easy tho. UR correct in that used low mileage ones are plentiful. Look thru subito.it for a sample!! ciao, chris

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So where are all the 75s then Chris? They sold a huge number of them. I was always confused about how the system worked over there. People were never able to explain it clearly to us. We paid a lot more for the insurance on our Volvo over there than we do on our cars here and it was not comprehensive, (covering both parties for damage), either. Has it become cheaper in the last few years, or do you get a good deal having lived there so long?

Current Alfas
2010 159 ti 1750 TBI sedan (red).
2004 GT 3.2 V6 (Stromboli Grey).
2008 159 TI Sportwagon 2.4 JTDM (Stromboli Grey).
1987 75 3 litre (red). My first 75 and now my son's.
2000 156 2 litre Twin Spark, ( Cosmos Blu metallic), my daughter's car.
2000 156 Monza Twin Spark, (Cosmos Blue metallic), sonís girlfiendís car.
1999 GTV 3 litre 24 valve V6, metallic black, (sonís new car).

Non Alfa
1988 Range Rover Classic Highline 3.9 V8

Past Alfas
1989 75 3 litre, written off by runaway van.
1990 75 3 litre Potenziata (black), now sold & living in Newcastle NSW.
1990 75 3 litre Potenziata (grey, sadly deceased due to fire).
1982 GTV 2 litre, red, (daughter's first Alfa)
2 x 1992 164s, (1 red, 1 grey).
2 x 1988 33s, (both red).
1985 GTV 2 litre, (white).
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We use 91 in the 91S, otherwise it can knock slightly up a hill, but can use either 91 or 89 in the LS because that engine has knock sensors to change the settings. We use either 87 or 89 in the Milano, mostly 89 because it too will knock when going up a hill with the 87. On the level, no problem with 87, but of course, the Seattle area has many hills, some steep.

It is interesting that the required octane level at high altitudes, as in the Rockies, is a little lower because of the lower air density, In many areas, 89 is the highest octane available, and works just fine in the 91S.

Basically, all US supplied gasoline is "clean enough" regardless of additives which are similar to Techron or the like, etc, for keeping the level of deposits down both in the fuel system and during combustion, as Richard mentions. They do not degrade performance, but in the long run better ensure optimum performance from the engine. Using a higher octane level than recommended by the car manufacturer, without altering the programming of the ignition system, etc, however, does not increase the engine performance in almost all cases.

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62 Morris MiniMinor 850, 67 Austin 1275 Cooper S (Downton 3/4 race), 64 Giulia Sprint GT (1st red one made), 72 Fiat 128 Sedan, 75 Alfetta Sedan, 78 Alfetta Sedan, 78 GTV, 81 GTV6, 86 GTV6
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Automatic 164 24V is a delight. Faster 0-60 than the manual trans, easier in stop-n-go SoCal traffic, and saved my bacon when I had broken left ankle. I loved that car.
I hope to experience this soon. Jim G is sending me the final couple of tools I need.
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You didn't...oh yes I did. '73 Berlina graduate course in rust repair. No thread yet, don't want to piss off the GTV

You didn't...oh yes I did II. 1995 164LS 5 speed, awesome when it runs!!!

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Look thru subito.it for a sample!! ciao, chris
There went an hour of my day!
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Automatic 164 24V is a delight. Faster 0-60 than the manual trans, easier in stop-n-go SoCal traffic, and saved my bacon when I had broken left ankle. I loved that car.
Well, this was only 12V, and it didn't perform all that well, but it had been sitting, and was not shifting smoothly. Indoor work for the next several days, as weather is still extremely soggy. Will enjoy reading what the rest of y'all are doing with your cars!
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Hopefully it was an enjoyable hour!! IDK Oz. The rates go down every year on the anniversary of the policy and the 75 is gonna drop significantly this summer I think. It might be next summer but I really don't pay notice as it is so cheap to start with. We don't have any special insurance - for example limited mileage or anything weird. Just liability and roadside assist/towing on the 164 that is good Europewide. Similar to AAA in the USA. Couldn't tell you what drives the rates - pun intended - as we've been with the company, Allianze for years and have no claims. They're out of Germany and big into investments and retirement planning as well tho we don't utilize them for anything but car ins. ciao, chris

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Recently added: an 89 75 (Milano) 1.6 litre w/44K on the klok.

Past loves:
79 Alfetta GTV w/Spica, my 1st Alfa

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A 68 BMW 1602 - man do I regret letting that one go!

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Scrounged parts for Non-BB4 today.

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My black 164S lives temporarily in Canada. I went up today to pick up grand kids from school. The black cars tan really bad. No get up and go, missing, but a couple miles in 2nd gear at 4000rpm seemed to fix it right up. ?
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