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post #10381 of 14314 (permalink) Old 03-06-2017, 10:16 PM
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"What is everyone's opinion about that extra expensive non-ethanol super?"

I have never used it in any of my Alfas through the years, except when that was all you could get, period. I suppose, if you have enough money, however...

Have never had a problem with using just plain premium in the original engine 91S (185k miles) and the 94LS (110k miles), and either regular or midgrade in the Milano (100k miles). All bought at Fred Meyers. The only additive I use is Techron every few fillings, just to keep the fuel systems, valves, and injectors clean. Seems to work, have had zero problems with injectors, etc.

If the car has old gas in it, yes, you could use some Stabil once or twice, but not regularly necessary once you start driving the car. If the car is driven regularly, no problems with old gas, which I've never worried about anyway, never raised it's ugly head. Modern gasoline is pretty good for that anyway.

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Just for giggles I run some 105 -Agip Blu Super - thru the car maybe twice a year. If I go thru 4 tanks a year in my 164, it's a busy year. Anyway, I do notice the car runs a bit better. Prolly all in my head to justify having spent 100 bucks to fill my tank. I'm with Mr Del and old gas. I don't generally worry about it but old isn't "bad" as I understand VM to have had in the car. Our gas here is just gas. No additives or anything and regarded as quite good. I bring some Techron back when I visit the US and run it from time to time and it seems to do no harm but then all of my system is new within the last year and a half so I doubt it needs it. Far as changing the external filter? I do so every year irregardless of the KM's. ciao, chris

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Excellent. We use the Techron also, and never had a problem using normal unleaded premium, which is already so expensive. Gary brags how his Alfa gets better mileage than my wagon, but my wagon runs on regular. He did pump out the really old gas before we started on the fuel pump, but the gas that's in it is not fresh at this point, since it was who knows how many months, between putting in fresh fuel, and R&Ring the pump. I was pleased that when I did the fuel pump, the gas didn't have that ancient gasoline reek, that I'm sure we're all familiar with. We'll continue using the normal premium, and I'll change out the filter every year. It's going to rain here all week, so I think we'll have no outdoor car work for awhile. I'm anxious to change my wagon oil and plugs (which are really only accessible from under the car), but in the meantime we'll drive the 164 and wait for better weather!
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Sorting out the key situation. Made an inquiry to keys4classics about where I might find the code for the door locks. I guess the "dimple" key is impossible without the code. As a back up, I bought a set of Alfetta door locks with keys. I read that they can be swapped in.

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I've never had a problem with old gas either, even if it's several years old. All gas is not the same. fed government regulates minimum additives, so all has sold in NA has additives. "Top Tier" companies sell gas with the best additive packages. I usually try to buy from one of them, the cheapest is often ARCO.
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I always look for the "top tier" sign. Seems like a good idea.

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Worked wiring issues on Non-BB4 today

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Sorting out the key situation. Made an inquiry to keys4classics about where I might find the code for the door locks. I guess the "dimple" key is impossible without the code. As a back up, I bought a set of Alfetta door locks with keys. I read that they can be swapped in.
Yep no code and even if you have the code locksmith has to have special machine to cut GTV6 and Lancia Beta series door lock keys. I was lucky when we had GTV6's I had a key and spare Lancia blanks and local locksmith had special machine to cut them.
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The gas issue: I never buy from Arco; we buy from Sinclair, 76 and Costco, sometimes the Love truckstop on I-84 in Oregon. will watch for the toptier sign. Thanks for all of your opinions. I hear so many horror stories about old gas, and ethanol in the gas, etc. Don't always know what to believe, but I do trust what other Alfa owners say!!!!! We drove into pendleton in the 164 today. What a terrific car. OMG. I almost bought one for myself, an automatic, but was afraid to commit to another one to work on. The tranny fluid was BLACK when I checked it, which scared me not a little bit. wonder if that car is still available? Where do old Alfas go? To one of us, I guess. Any opinions on the automatics? I really wanted a manual, even though they can be a pain in traffic.
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"even though they can be a pain in traffic"

In your part of Oregon, lol? No, not that much of a pain, just depends on where you live. Certainly in our area, a manual is still the way to go, besides being fun just rowing the stick.

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where do old Alfas go? Apparently the USA. Never see one here. Ciao, chris

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89 164 2l Twin Spark, 2011 Tonka Dump

Recently added: an 89 75 (Milano) 1.6 litre w/44K on the klok.

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What did I do today? - pushed out the old trans mount bushing in my '69 Giulia and put in a new one while the trans is in the car. Tricky, but got it!
Also put in new exhaust mount bushings in the mount that bolts to the tranny and assembled the pedal box to the transmission cross member for my Alfaholics big brake kit :-) !
Yay, a productive evening after dinner.
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where do old Alfas go? Apparently the USA. Never see one here. Ciao, chris
Isn't part of the reason for that because in Italy you have too keep paying insurance even if the car is not registered? When we lived there in '02 and '05 the only old Alfas we saw many of were 33s. I saw only four or five 75s, despite the fact that they sold very large numbers of them. I saw maybe five 164s, three of which were turbo V6s. There must be a heck of a lot of 75s in wrecking yards over there, if they haven't been recycled by now. The upside is that if you aren't a believer in the Italian idea that any car more than five years old is not the thing to have, you can get very nice, low mileage older cars for virtually nothing.

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2010 159 ti 1750 TBI sedan (red).
2004 GT 3.2 V6 (Stromboli Grey).
2008 159 TI Sportwagon 2.4 JTDM (Stromboli Grey).
1987 75 3 litre (red). My first 75 and now my son's.
2000 156 2 litre Twin Spark, ( Cosmos Blu metallic), my daughter's car.
2000 156 Monza Twin Spark, (Cosmos Blue metallic), son’s girlfiend’s car.
1999 GTV 3 litre 24 valve V6, metallic black, (son’s new car).

Non Alfa
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Past Alfas
1989 75 3 litre, written off by runaway van.
1990 75 3 litre Potenziata (black), now sold & living in Newcastle NSW.
1990 75 3 litre Potenziata (grey, sadly deceased due to fire).
1982 GTV 2 litre, red, (daughter's first Alfa)
2 x 1992 164s, (1 red, 1 grey).
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"What is everyone's opinion about that extra expensive non-ethanol super?"
In Russia, sell 4 standard types of gasoline. 80 - 92 -95 - 98.
I use 92. Although the service manual indicates "no lower than RON95". I tried using 95, like the European SUPER, and 98. I did not feel any difference. The same consumption and power. I do not use any additives.
After I dismantled the engine, I was once again convinced of the absence of terrible pictures of the consequences of 92 gasoline.
This as for 164.
Absolutely different things happen with modern engines. Them are very sensitive to the grade of gasoline. Starting from the operation of the ECU and ending with the state of the engine.

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