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Hope there is something of interest and helpful in this maintenance sticky of mine

Testing a 164 engine: http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/164-...ml#post6648137

Link to 164 cardisc manuals: http://www.berlinasportivo.com/Techn.../page0002.html

164 production figures: http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/6253530-post1.html

Roadtrip's revised 164 buying guide pdf: http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/atta...uide-ver-2.pdf

Group 01-Engine-12v Cam Timing My new rule Jan 22 2014 - http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/164-...ml#post5123801

01-Engine-Timing Belt Age Checking new Timing Belt age info http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/5453889-post49.html

Cam timing pdf template. Print it off on 8 1/2 x14 paper at 100% scale setting. This is Rick's Template he posted for us to use.

http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/atta...cam-timing.pdf

Checking cam timing on 12v V6 engine in car: http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/164-...am-timing.html


http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/164-...ml#post6487817

My new Alfa Romeo Tech Data Numbering System http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/164-...ml#post5008562

1991-93 164 Motronic test procedures: http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/5344273-post3.html

Alfa V6 engine bearings info: http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/5225585-post2576.html

01-Engine-0332 New info on timing belts: http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/4695370-post192.html

0010 How to identify 164 engines: http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/4739049-post195.html

Testing 91-93 for no start condition after verifying cam timing: http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/1247761-post7.html

04-164-12v Fuel, Air Supply Diagnosis of Idle faults on a 164 Thanks to Roadtrip for writing this up.

http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/164-...lts-164-a.html

Alfa 164 frame chart PDF added to bottom of this post.

Testing and rebuilding 164 steering rack: http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/164-...rack-home.html

1991-1995 Alfa 164 and Spider parts catalogs: http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/164-...-catalogs.html

Crossing part numbers to manufacturer's numbers Car Part QUINTON HAZELL QTA258H Vibration Damper, v-ribbed belt

New Cooling Fan testing paper: http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/164-...ml#post1150062

Mostly 12v V6 cam timing and mechanical tensioner info, etc....
Also added in link to trick to install top starter bolt.
Also adding some 24v info.
Added door handle repair thread

Example seat heater notes: Alfa 164 Notes

Alfa 164 buying guide http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/164-...ing-guide.html

John's very good buyers guide: http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/164-...ying-164s.html

Thought maybe these links to some stuff I have posted would be helpful for setting and inspecting mechanical tensioner, info on changing timing belt, cam oil seals, timing template and part list to do belts and water belt, too:

NEW photos of OLD Nero's engine timing belt set up: http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/164-...tensioner.html

01-164-12v-370-100a-hardware-mounting-mechanical-tensioner http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/164-...tensioner.html

http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/164-...tensioner.html Inspecting 12v mechanical tensioner spring

Types of timing belt tensioners: http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/1123269-post25.html

http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/164-...v-alfa-v6.html Safety Note When Installing Tensioner On 12v Alfa V6

http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/164-...tml#post791315 more info on setting mechanical tensioner I hope

http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/793201-post34.html Thermal clutch spring device in mechanical tensioner

http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/164-...am-timing.html Alfa 164 12v Cam Timing

http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/164-...ring-info.html Timing belt and serpentine belt tensioner bearing info

Cam timing pdf template. Print it off on 8 1/2 x14 paper at 100% scale setting. This is Rick's Template he posted for us to use.

http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/atta...cam-timing.pdf 12v cam timing template

http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/164-...ater-pump.html Changing Alfa 164 12v V6 Timing Belt and Water Pump

http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/164-...heads-etc.html Changing Quik Silver's 12v heads, etc....

http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/164-...ds-12v-v6.html AR164-01 Replacing Heads on 12v V6

http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/164-...oil-seals.html Changing 164 Cam Pulley o-rings/oil seals

More info on cam hub puller design: http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/164-...o-belts-2.html

Paul's secret trick for installing front crank seal: http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/mila...eal-trick.html

http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/164-...ick-164-a.html My starter bolt install trick on 164

Alfa V6 12v engines valve clearance info .0088 to .0098" (.225 to .250mm) for all 12v Alfa V6 engines.

Added info: intakes: .0187 to .0197" (.475 to .500mm).
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http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/164-...t-mm-inch.html Alfa Romeo Valve Shim Conversion Chart MM To Inch

http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/164-...ring-info.html Timing belt and serpentine belt tensioner bearing info

http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/164-...tml#post767496 164 Cooling Fan Circuit Testing 101

http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/164-...ing-order.html Alfa 164 12v V6 spark plug wiring order

http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/164-...r-16-01-a.html AR164 Alfa 164 Automatic Transmission Repair 16-01

http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/164-...ng-brakes.html Changing 164 master cylinder/bleeding brakes

http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/164-...-gas-tank.html 12v USA steel gas tank

http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/164-...-plumbing.html 12v USA steel tank internal plumbing

http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/164-...ring-info.html alfa-164-5-speed-transmission-front-input-bearing-info

http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/164-...asier-way.html adding-manual-cooling-fan-switch-easier-way

http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/164-...ck-update.html rosso-rescue-project-steering-rack-update

http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/164-...ing-164-t.html replacing-accumulator-spring-164 A/T

http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/164-...hose-info.html 164-power-steering-hose-info

http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/164-...64-engine.html rained-today-so-field-stripped-164-engine

http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/164-...-progress.html 164-12v-engine-rebuild-process-progress

http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/164-...run-again.html old-neros-engine-may-run-again

http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/549328-post6.html Engine bearing clearance info

Alfa 164 Motronic Self-Diagnosis 91-93 Motronic ECU Code Test

Alfa 164 Motronic M1.7 Self-Diagnosis 94-95 Motronic ECU code Test

http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/164-...otor-info.html Alfa 164 A/C Heater Blower Motor info

Steering rack: http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/164-...oded-view.html 1991-1995/52556-steering-rack-exploded-view

http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/164-...read-info.html oil-pressure-gauge-sender-oil-light-sender-thread

http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/164-...-part-1-a.html troubleshooting-164-cooling-fan-system-part-1


http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/164-...tml#post792213 24v
info diy-timing-belt-replacement

New info 24v valve and valve guide info: http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/4800113-post11.html

http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/164-...questions.html setting up 24v cams, etc.

info on 24v timing dies: http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/164-...ml#post4762282

http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/164-...ndle-inop.html inner door handle repair

http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/307927-post24.html thermostat and water pump info

http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/164-...tml#post707372 FRONT STRUT SPRING PERCH/RETAINER ID INFO

http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/164-...eal-money.html
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Added my starter bolt install trick link to thread

See this on how I do it: http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/164-...ick-164-a.html

Richard2's trick worth adding to this post: http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/1073196-post2.html

Troubleshooting NO Crank engine starter: https://www.hagerty.com/articles-vid...20Mustang%20II

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Your tips are always greatly appreciated Steve, you have kept many a 164 alive and happy!

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Added some more links to some more of my maintenance tips today to first post.

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Place marker for work in progress procedure on oil fed tensioner set up:

http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/761154-post7.html

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any tips to replace brake rotors from 1991L .i never done it before..
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any tips to replace brake rotors from 1991L .i never done it before..
Haven't written on up yet.

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Paul's front crank seal install trick

Paul's front crank seal install trick: http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/mila...eal-trick.html

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Some great reading with links to steering rack info

This thread and some links contained within it should be helpful when working on steering rack issues:

http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/164-...ng-issues.html

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Inner door handle repair tips

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24v engine special tools for cam timing weights

http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/164-...24v-164-a.html

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Engine NO START Troubleshooting Tips

Troubleshooting tips: ROUGH DRAFT
1991-93 12v V6
Check engine services fuse in main fuse box.
Check fuel pressure with fuel injection pressure gauge (rent free from Autozone).
Be sure "red stripe" ECU relay with diode plugged into correct relay holder with RED wires near coil.
Fuel pump relay is one next to it plugged into holder with pink and pink-white wires.
You can test fuel pump by pulling fuel pump relay and test for power with key on at socket 30. Now jumper socket 30 pink wire to socket 87a pink-white wire and turn key on pump should run.

Check distributor cap and rotor
Check spark with spark tester and or inductive or direct hook up timing light (tester and timing light will flash if spark going through sparkplug wire.

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Craig's testing of 5-pin 164 AFM

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Steve thanks for all your valueable advice. I also thank you for your reply to my post on the 164 that I have been trying to help my friend with. We are trying to find a wiring diagram for the motronic system. The car cranks over very well but the voltage drops to 10v . No pulse to coil . Pick up signal tested from one end to the other. well Im tired now and I have to repair my car so I can travel this week. pls help thanks Mike
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Info on 164 engine ECU part numbers

http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/164-...u-numbers.html

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