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(1) With a lot of gentle persuasion, it is out.

(2) The throwout bearing looks banged up.

(3) The shaft looks really oily - any concerns on this?

(4) The shift lever seal looks fouled.
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Old 09-07-2008, 08:58 AM
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(1) The interior of the bellhousing has a lot of oil grime - any concerns?

(2) Evidence of rodentia food mess.

(3) Clutch cylinder - should it be replaced?

(4) Apparent bushing wearing.
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Old 09-07-2008, 09:11 AM
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(1) The view of the clutch.

(2) Close up of the clutch. The wear mark appears to be off center - any concerns?

(3) Sachs stamping.

(4) The view of the starter.
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Old 09-07-2008, 10:28 AM
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At the risk of succumbing to "While you're in there-itis" I would definitely recommend pulling the clutch and flywheel and replacing the rear main seal. That's the most likely culprit for all the oil and grime. That way you can take the flywheel to be resurfaced at a machine shop at the same time.

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Old 09-07-2008, 11:07 AM
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At the risk of succumbing to "While you're in there-itis" I would definitely recommend pulling the clutch and flywheel and replacing the rear main seal. That's the most likely culprit for all the oil and grime. That way you can take the flywheel to be resurfaced at a machine shop at the same time.

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Jason,

I will be pulling the clutch to replace it with a Sachs kit. I am also expecting a pilot bushing in the mail to replace the old one.

After I run some errands, I will get a closer look at the flywheel and the old clutch once pulled to get a better sense of where this oil originates (more pics to follow). I am leaning towards the gearbox front seal only because it looks dry around the pilot bushing. And I may be wrong, of course.

The trans will be going to my local Alfa mechanic for the Centerline suggested rebuild which would include that seal. This is definitely a symptom of "while you're in there-itis" because I do not want to repeat this anytime too soon.

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what to replace

If I were you I would replace the following at a minimum.( including your sachs clutch)

1) Throwout Bearing if it dosn't come with it.

2). Slave Cyl because its really easy to do right now.

3). Flex line connector.

4). Trans support bushing (regular if you want quiet comofort, Poly if you want a little stiffer , slightly noisier ride.)
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If I were you I would replace the following at a minimum.( including your sachs clutch)

1) Throwout Bearing if it dosn't come with it.

2). Slave Cyl because its really easy to do right now.

3). Flex line connector.

4). Trans support bushing (regular if you want quiet comofort, Poly if you want a little stiffer , slightly noisier ride.)

Gabriel,

The clutch kit I bought from Spruell included throwout bearing and alignment tool for $230 - seemed like a good deal. About 100 miles before the clutch started slipping, I had all the engine mounts and the trans mount replaced.

Yeah, I agree with changing out the cylinder and line. I have already ordered a speed bleeder for it from Centerline.

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Old 09-07-2008, 06:29 PM
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(1) clutch disc - it was worn down to the screw heads - any comments?

(2) clutch pressure plate - any comments?

(3) worn pilot bushing - I pulled it out effortlessly without any tools - any concern about this?

(4) back of flywheel

(5) other side of clutch disc
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Old 09-07-2008, 06:38 PM
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Is there any significance as to the paint on the fly wheel bolts?


(1) view of the flywheel

(2) closeup of flywheel with evidence oil and grime particles - a lot of which fell out as the clutch assembly was removed

(3) another view of the flywheel with some blueing shown

(4) clean bellhousing
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Old 09-07-2008, 11:29 PM
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I would think the flywheel needs resurfaced or replaced. It only goes on one way because of the L-tronic sensors. Also you may consider replacing the bolts as my flywheel sheared off the original bolts and I noticed they sell the new set so they must stress out. Great work and pics. Check out International Auto Parts for the new bolt kit and don't forget to mark the flywheel so it gets back on correctly. Take your time and enjoy. Nothing matches wrenching on an Alfa
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Old 09-08-2008, 06:57 AM
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He's got Motronic, not L-jet, so flywheel orientation is a moot point. (even from a balance aspect if the flywheel gets resurfaced)


My guess on the paint is that they got marked after they were torqued to give a visual indicator that they indeed actually had been torqued and not just snugged in by hand.
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Old 09-10-2008, 04:16 PM
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Ok! I think I may have resurfaced the flywheel. It measures within spec. I used the 2" Sanding Disc Kit from HF, specifically the 60 grit disc followed by the coarse "scotch brite" disc. I tried my best to keep the disc true to the working surface and to resurface both the resting and working surface as equally as possible.

Please post any concerns about the condition of the flywheel. I plan to attach the clutch assembly tomorrow night.




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Thats what I did with mine

Joe
Thats all I did with mine. I figured that since I did not see any damage ( cracks or excessive wear) I would be OK if I just broke the glaze. Yours looked a little more heat spoted than mine , but not much more, and it could just have been the lighting. So far ( 500 miles) I have not had any problems. I sure beats trying to pull the flywheel.

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Old 09-11-2008, 08:53 PM
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Removing Front Transmission Seal

Removing the front transmission seal reminds me of the axiom of the cheaper the part, the harder to install. Trotting out with the big screwdriver as pictured in the shop manual is not the way to start out.

Instead, start with a flat jewelers screwdriver and work your way up to the larger screwdriver. I used a hammer to power the flat screwdriver as a lever. Once you have the portion of the seal somewhat lifted opposite the notch, you will have to migrate out of the notch to pry out the seal. Work evenly on "both" sides until you get to the point opposite the notch.

Outside the notch, do not use the ring as a fulcrum without some sort of padded protection. I used a wadded up paper towel.

In starting out, I blemished the seat for the seal. But as long as the walls are not impaired, I don't believe that will matter.

Pictures will follow. I am not going to have the transmission rebuilt at this time. So, I will just install the new front seal and reverse light switch before reinstalling the transmission.

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..... or you coulda just unbolted the bell housing from the trans body and whacked the seal out with a drift and reinstalled on the bench.....

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