11-14-2003, 10:31 AM
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It's quicker to swap the whole axle. My 1750 doesn't have LSD. It's a 4.55 & a little busy at 70 mph.
Don't know where you'll find a GTA head. I've been collecting them as spares since the 80's when I bought my Bobsy SR3 which had a GTA jr engine. They come up occasionally.
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11-14-2003, 11:33 AM
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It's quicker to swap the whole axle. My 1750 doesn't have LSD. It's a 4.55 & a little busy at 70 mph.
Don't know where you'll find a GTA head. I've been collecting them as spares since the 80's when I bought my Bobsy SR3 which had a GTA jr engine. They come up occasionally.
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11-24-2003, 03:16 AM
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to be honest, i have never heard of someone putting ward and deane springs on a street alfa. i am sure he can make them with spring rates that will be good for street. i might see him next weekend. if i do, i'll ask him.
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I am getting near (after about a year!) putting a 77 Spider back on the road. I bought some W&D street springs, when they suddenly became available again.
Alan said that they'd be OK for street.. suggested the street ones especialy for a Spider, since they start out pretty low already, and do little additional lowering.
He SAYS they'd be fine for street use, and another club member drove them in a Spider for years, she said they were great. Of course they are both racers.. so we'll see how "soft" soft is..
I'm hoping for a somewhat firmer ride, but without kidney pounding on long vacation drives.
I'll let you all know how it goes..
PS.. I'd be interested to hear an opnion on the GTV with the W&D Street springs.
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11-24-2003, 07:45 AM
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DriverJon
What shocks are you planning to use? Alan suggested gas shocks, but I am a little concerned that Bilsteins may be a little stiff for the street.
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11-24-2003, 08:35 AM
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How long are the springs in your Jr??? I want to get some 1200lb fronts....
I've been trying to find this out from racers for some time, as one could get springs from a stock car source (they are the cheapest racers of everyone).
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11-25-2003, 02:38 AM
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DriverJon
What shocks are you planning to use? Alan suggested gas shocks, but I am a little concerned that Bilsteins may be a little stiff for the street.
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Alan does reccomend Bilsteins with his springs, he and a few others are of the opinion that the gas types have finer control over small movements. This supposedly gives you good damping under a wider range of road conditions, and better feel on the street.
He also seems to think Koni's are nearly as good.. saying for the Spider the Red's set to half strength in front and full soft in the rears.. have heard that's about the right ratio from a lot of sources. Yellows were thought on the stiff side for street.
Anyway, I have my choice of original Sachs-Boge that were on the car, and a used set of Koni Red's that I bought recently.. Till I get more income, I think I'll limit myself to those. Maybe try the Bilsteins later..
Jon
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11-20-2005, 03:04 AM
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Jon,
Can you give us a update on how the Ward & Deane springs worked out for you?
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11-30-2005, 08:29 PM
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Eric, send me a PM or an email if you want to talk spring rates and lengths. I have been running Eibach springs from stock car sources. Since you are at least somewhat familiar with my car, it might help your decision. When you saw it at the Glen it had Eibach 1000 pound 9.5" length by 5.5" diameter springs with the upper rubber spring seat removed. It also has the Beck spindles which lower it about 3/4" to 1".
And Murray, if you are going to run a 2.25" spring in front, make the spring seat adjustable. That way you get adjustable ride height and the length of the spring isn't as critical. Does Alfaholics sell it with adjustability? If not, you should be able to make it adjustable without much difficulty. Heck, on a dual-purpose car like yours, I'd be tempted to make front and rear adjustable. You could increase your ride height for the street inbetween events.
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Anthony, How long are the springs in your Jr??? I want to get some 1200lb fronts....Ive been trying to find this out from racers for some time, as one could get springs from a stock car source (they are the cheapest racers of everyone).Eric
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12-03-2005, 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by GTV4EVR
Is the 4:10 LSD a simple swap with the 4:56? I assume it is from a late spider? Do you just exchange the diff, or swap the entire axle? Where can you find a GTA head? My short term plans are the suspension next spring (and have the transmission rebuilt). Then over time, redo the interior, the body and the engine.
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Considering the expense, if you are able to find a GTA head, is the power output in any sort of relationship with the monies required ? On a steel body car ?
Think wisely,spend carefully
David
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12-03-2005, 12:05 PM
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I have the IAP Springs and their site say's 1,300 lb front and 180 lb rears. I feel you need at least a Koni Yellow shock to control those heavy front springs and maybe gas shocks would be better.
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I have them set for half strength on the fronts, and nearly all the way low on the rears.They seem to be sufficent for my driving around town. YMMV... or your driving style and type...
I forget what the rates are with Alan's springs, though 1600 up front seems familiar.. I might have posted the rates sometime in the past on here.
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12-03-2005, 01:55 PM
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A good basic philosophy...
If you haven't been there already, there's a chart of damping force at the Koni site, shows the relative difference of the yellows to reds, as well as their hard/soft ranges.
IFIRC, the yellows are about half again harder than the reds at the same setting, and they overlap about half way.. so bascially a yellow on half is about a red on full.
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12-17-2005, 02:38 PM
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Anyone done an Alfaholics watts link installation on a GTV? If so what can you share?
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02-05-2006, 12:01 PM
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Ward&Deane springs
Have you maybe pictures of Ward & Deane race springs? Front and rear.
Page about spring rates is no more available, have you maybe stored those datas?
Thank you for your help.
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02-26-2006, 07:10 AM
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Jon, for around town grocery getting it probably doesn't matter. But if those shocks have gotten a lot of use, they might not be doing their job well after 11 years. Unfortunately, it's not always easy to tell, since most of us don't have a shock dyno sitting in the garage! Regarding the springs, 1600 pounds would be VERY stiff, even for a race car. Most of the serious vintage cars are running around 1200 pounds in the front. Across the pond, most run more like 600-1000.
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I'm using a set of Koni Red shocks that are used by a racer, and literally 11yrs old (there's a date code). I forget what the rates are with Alan's springs, though 1600 up front seems familiar.. Jon
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02-26-2006, 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by classic-alfa
Have you maybe pictures of Ward & Deane race springs? Front and rear.
Page about spring rates is no more available, have you maybe stored those datas?
Thank you for your help.
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Really need to know the spring rates, and if anyone talks to Alan Ward, he could tell you.
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