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same tire question on 14"

I have the 185 70's currently on my spider and am thinking about going to the 195 65's as well, if anyone has made that change how about a few words on that?
Steering characterisitics change is what I'm specifically interested in... I seen info that said 205's don't rub but think my arms are Popeye like enough now....unfortunately my mid section is more like Bluto!
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Old 11-02-2003, 09:06 PM
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Actually, there is a big difference between each tire size change in the 105/ 115 Alfas. For better steering response, go for no larger than the 185/70s...but for grip, go for the 205/60s. I don't think I would consider the 195/65s myself.

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Wouldn't 195/65's be a good compromise between 185/70's and 205/60's? As Art mentioned, I think the 205's would be too tough to manuever in slow speed conditions, like parallel parking. I had 185/60's on my Spider and I appreciated the wider than stock width and slightly lower than stock profile. Incidentally, today I saw Kjel's "eggplant" GTV wearing 195/70's. The tires looked meaty-wide and yet were not low profile.
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Kai and all,

Go for whatever you like, but remember the following:

Overall rolling diameter - if you increase the diameter, your speedo will read low and you will effectively be making your rear-end have a taller ratio, which will give you a decrease in RPM at a given speed in gear. Unfortunately, this means that you will lose some acceleration performance. If you decrease the overall diameter, you will do the opposite. Your speedo will read high and you will have a shorter rear-end ratio. So, although you will be accelerating faster, you will have a higher RPM at any given speed in gear. You can do the math yourself, or go to a number of diameter tools (like the one in the rims section "about tires" at www.veloce.nu to figure out the size/diameter thing.

In terms of width, a wider than stock tire (besides making it a bit harder to steer at slow speeds) will also increase wear on your steering box and other steering components and will also change the overall handling characteristics of your car. Most of the changes with a wider tire are good, but remember that you are adding a significant amount of additional stress to the suspension and also to the body/frame. I guess that if you had a rusty early Spider (which already has a pretty soft structure to begin with), you could cause stress fractures when cornering quickly. You also need to think about how they fit. In a Giulia Ti (sedan) or early Bertone coupe for example, the rear wheel-wells are tight and large tires mounted on short offset wheels will rub the inner fenders. Finally, remember that unsprung weight is important to handling. A larger tire almost always weighs more, which also increases the stresses on your suspension and steering systems.

For the 105/115 series, I recommend the following:

Giuliettas, Roundtails, early Bertone Coupes and Giulia Sedans (with stock 15 inch rims): 155R-15 (stock), 185/70-15 (street), 195/65-15 (street & track) (for race - switch to a 14 X 6 or 7 inch rim and use a 205/60-14 race tire, requires a change in brakes of course).

ATE brake-equipped early cars (with stock 14 inch rims): 165R-14 (stock), 185/70-14 (street), 205/60-14 (track & street). I don't recommend going any larger than that.

Later Spiders (post '82 when they stiffened the structure a bit): If you must, you can switch to a larger diameter and width wheel like the 16 inch wheels available from Serpent or other manufacturers and go nuts. Just remember that you will be changing suspension and steering components more often. Also, be careful about your wheel offset and how it will fit before you spend lots of money needlessly. In the later Spiders, the larger than stock wheels and really wide tires can actually rob you of overall cornering speed because of increases in unsprung weight and because you are using power to drive the rubber.

I hope that helps.

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Old 11-03-2003, 06:18 AM
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Think I'll stay where I am

Since the tires on there are pretty old, hard, and 50% worn and I like what I got except for those slightly rainy days when the a$$ end moves around like a hoochy coochy trolling for dollar bills; I'm gonna go with a stickier version in the same size. Then in another decade or so I may change!
Thanks to all for their thoughts

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