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Slight Name modification for Spider forum?

I would guess somebody has thought of this, but perhaps not.....

How hard would it be to modify name of the the "Spider (1966-Up)" to read "Spider (1966-1994)" or something along those lines for clarity?

Sure WE know we're a US-focused community but there is nothing to explicitly indicate that and it's confusing for Europeans (and others) who stumble on our forum looking for help with their later car. It doesn't happen that often but every few months we get a thread from somebody who has a later Spider they need help with. They take the trouble to find the forum, register and post only for the response to be "nobody here knows anything about your car".

I don't know on this particular forum software how "locked in" the name is but if it's an easy change it seems like it would make things much more clear for foreign visitors and no less clear for US visitors.

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Why 1966-1994? Last car of Series 4 was made in 1993, but cars were sold even in 95.
So, in my opinion it should be 1966-1993 or 1966-1995

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1994 was the last model year. If somebody bought a '94 that was manufactured in '93 in '95 it's still a '94. Whatever. It still makes it clear that the forum is not for your 1998 or 2000 Spider.

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Yes, by model year they were 91, 92, 93 and 94. But as I know there were no difference between MY 93 and 94. It was a trick of Alfa Romeo Inc to market MY93 cars as MY94. The same happened with CE in USA and Final Edition in Japan. Both of them had options added by local companies, not by Alfa Romeo. So that they do not exist in Alfa Romeo official papers.

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I guess that's why it's "Spider (1966-Up)" instead of "Spider (1966-1993 or 1994 or 1995 or whatever year you prefer)".

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I tend to agree that the "Spider (1966-Up)" forum title should be changed for clarity's sake. To me, "Spider (1966-1993)" would sound about right -- and would be consistent with the 1993 "end of production" year D'Amico & Tabucchi's book lists for the S4 2000 Spider Veloce.

Much has changed since AlfaBB was created in late 2002 and another forum probably should be renamed as well: The "New Production Alfas: non-USA (1992-Current)" forum covers, as the subtitle says "145, 146, 147, 156, 166, GTV & Spider", which are now longer "new" cars as production has since ended (some models are old enough to be imported as classics to North America). For arguments sake, here are the model years of the cars listed in the subtitle (note the absence of the 155, which I think should be included in this list as well):

145 (1994-2000)
146 (1995-2000)
147 & GT (Tipo 937, 2000-2010)
156 (1997-2005)
166 (1998-2007)
GTV & Spider (Tipo 916, 1995-2006)

155 (1992-1996)

So, maybe the "New Production Alfas: non-USA (1992-Current)" forum should be renamed to something like "Production Alfas not exported to USA (1992-2016)" and also include the following models:

159 (2001-2011)
Brera & Spider (Tipo 939, 2005-2011)
Mito (Tipo 955, 2008-2016)
Giulietta (Tipo 940, 2010-2016)

The whole subtitle then could read "145, 146, 147, 155, 156, 159, 166, 916 GTV & Spider, 933 Brera & Spider, 955 MiTo, and 940 Giulietta."

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I don't know on this particular forum software how "locked in" the name is but if it's an easy change it seems like it would make things much more clear for foreign visitors and no less clear for US visitors.
The 75/Milano forum used to be 86-89 ignoring us poor Yurrupeans who got saddled with this monstrosity* until 1992 and that got changed so no reason why not to change the Spider one. I think changing to 1966 - 1994 is a good idea. Yeah someone will have a 1995 one out there but if we go that far we run the risk of running into the 916 version.













* I'm joking here, I love my 1992 version to bits...


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I think changing to 1966 - 1994 is a good idea.
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It changed! Thanks!

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Sure WE know we're a US-focused community but there is nothing to explicitly indicate that and it's confusing for Europeans (and others) who stumble on our forum looking for help with their later car.
Wow! Didn't think the name change would be noticed so quickly.
Back in 2002 when this site was created, it was basically geared for USA models. Fifteen years on, it's grown into a global community. So in order to try to avoid any potential confusion between different markets with different models, a forum name revision is quite logical. Thank you @GV27 for the suggestion!

Along the same lines, the suggestion by @tubut to revise the 'New Production Alfas' forum name will be forthcoming as well.

EDIT: Ruedi's suggestion has also been implemented.
The other forum names look okay to me but maybe someone else sees otherwise? Everyone's input is encouraged.

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Thanks, Jim!

For the sake of historical accuracy (and to make potential buyers aware these cars may be difficult to support on this continent), I still believe either the title or subtitle of the (1992-2016) forum should have some kind of reference indicating that these cars were not available in North America.

Maybe something like "Production Alfas (1992-2016) - Not sold in North America" might work?

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Tubut, why 1992? ARDONA stopped to sell cars in USA/Canada/Puerto Rico in 95 or 96.
Mexico is a part of North America and as I know Alfa has kept few dealerships in there.

P.S. Alfa 155 has been in production since the middle of 1991.

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Tubut, why 1992? ARDONA stopped to sell cars in USA/Canada/Puerto Rico in 95 or 96.
Mexico is a part of North America and as I know Alfa has kept few dealerships in there.

P.S. Alfa 155 has been in production since the middle of 1991.
See the production years listed in D'Amico & Tabucchi's book posted above.
I don't know anything about the distribution of Alfas in Mexico.

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I do not believe in Tabucchi data, it is wrong. 1992 is a year when the car appeared in distribution network.
The best source of production date for the FIAT era cars is ePer, spare parts catalog, which provides the same data as Archivio Storico.
I checked few early VIN of 155, production date was from the second part of 1991.
Just think logically, 155 was in every dealership of Europe in February of 92. Before this date cars should be built, delivered, etc...

About Mexico, as I know 156 was presented on the marker
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I do not believe in Tabucchi data, it is wrong. 1992 is a year when the car appeared in distribution network.
The best source of production date for the FIAT era cars is ePer, spare parts catalog, which provides the same data as Archivio Storico.
I checked few early VIN of 155, production date was from the second part of 1991.
Just think logically, 155 was in every dealership of Europe in February of 92. Before this date cars should be built, delivered, etc...

About Mexico, as I know 156 was presented on the marker
I don't seem to care as much as you do about possible, nuanced differences between production year or model year -- and I don't know where you get the idea I may not be thinking logically.

I bet more people have access to D'Amico & Tabucchi than to ePer. Why don't YOU pull the production years of all the models in question off of ePer and list them here? Complaining and/or criticizing the work of others seems to be much more easier than doing some leg work and making a contribution, doesn't it?

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