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Old 04-03-2008, 04:57 PM
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1600 Duetto vs 1750 trim questions

Here is a photo I found of a nice looking roundtail spider for you Duetto / roundtail / 1750SV experts.

I think it's a '67 (1600 spider). Do you think it's not?

It has no sign of '69 side markers. It has the side repeater light, but it's round, not teardrop shaped. Could have been changed.

Same with the wheels. Those aren't skinny 4.5" '67 wheels. Are they the wider but smaller '69 wheels? Are they widened 15" wheels? Later hubcaps, although some here argue that those were not necessarily 1750 only.
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Old 04-03-2008, 05:17 PM
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Could it be a Euro model, possibly a 1300? Just taking a stab in the dark here.....
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It looks like it's a restored car. Given that, I would hesitate to say that the side lights are the correct shape. The early 1750 roundtails really did have the side lights in that location. Several months ago there was a very nice pair of Round, Carello side lights. They had the same base as the tear-dropped shape.
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Could it be a Euro model, possibly a 1300? Just taking a stab in the dark here.....
Juniors had the side marker lights in front of the wheels. Like Osso says, it looks like a restored car, so it's hard to say what's original or not from this one pic.
Just from what I see here, I would guess a '67 with a round marker light...or a Euro 69....I see no rear markers either
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Any Photos of the Trunk Lid?

1600 Duetto's have a script "Alfa Romeo" on the lower right corner of the trunk lid. 1750's had block lettered "Alfa Romeo" centered on the back end of the trunk lid. Of course, these could have been changed during a resto.

Probably other differences as well, but can't think of them right now.
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As the others said, hard to tell as it has been restored. However, I agree that the repeaters at the back of the front wheel arch suggest 67 Duetto rather than later 1750. It is not a 1300n junior, as they had black lower front bumpers, and the quarterlights did not open (I am pretty sure I can make out catches. This is unlikely to have been changed in a resto). The other giveaway sign of a 1750 is the extra dash light between the instruments- rarely changed on a resto- and for US spec, the twin brake servos.

Easiest way to check for certain is to send the chassis number to Archivio Storicho, and Marco Fazio will give you an answer within a couple of days.

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It looks like it's a restored car. Given that, I would hesitate to say that the side lights are the correct shape. The early 1750 roundtails really did have the side lights in that location. Several months ago there was a very nice pair of Round, Carello side lights. They had the same base as the tear-dropped shape.
It would have to have been a very early one, as my #323 is in the proper 69 location in front of the wheel. Bruce
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As the others said, hard to tell as it has been restored. However, I agree that the repeaters at the back of the front wheel arch suggest 67 Duetto rather than later 1750.
I thought that for a long time until Wille straightened me out. The early versions of the 1750 have the repeaters in the same location as the 1600. Wille's car is that way. The car in the pictures below also has the repeaters behind the wheel arch. these pics are from Wille's Roundtail website. You can tell this car is a 1750 by the cowl in front of the radiator. The 1600 spider does not have this feature.

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It is not a 1300n junior, as they had black lower front bumpers, and the quarterlights did not open (I am pretty sure I can make out catches. This is unlikely to have been changed in a resto).The other giveaway sign of a 1750 is the extra dash light between the instruments- rarely changed on a resto- and for US spec, the twin brake servos.
Any of those items can be changed during a restoration. The boosters can also be changed, but with a little more difficulty.

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Easiest way to check for certain is to send the chassis number to Archivio Storicho, and Marco Fazio will give you an answer within a couple of days.
This is the best way, if there are some doubts.
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1600 Duetto's have a script "Alfa Romeo" on the lower right corner of the trunk lid. 1750's had block lettered "Alfa Romeo" centered on the back end of the trunk lid. Of course, these could have been changed during a resto.

Probably other differences as well, but can't think of them right now.
there are more....like for example ash tray, seats, etc/.....but we're only allowed to determine it from this picture

Makes me think, does it look like the seats have no head rests?
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only if you can read the VIN from this picture
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Exactly - mystery photo of a mystery car. I just wondered what your opinions were of the repeaters and wheel size as clues to year. Both of those can be changed.

This photo of a "straw" '69 1750, which was restored by Biba, has 15" wheels from '67, I believe he told me.
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This photo of a "straw" '69 1750, which was restored by Biba, has 15" wheels from '67, I believe he told me.
it is so hard to tell, but I would guess they look like 14" wheels....with the earlier hubcaps though....although some argue that these were also used on 1750's
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it is so hard to tell, but I would guess they look like 14" wheels....with the earlier hubcaps though....although some argue that these were also used on 1750's
In the US, our cars were delivered with the small ring hubcaps. You can see them in any period car magazine article.
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