Spider Price Guide?

[JSimmons]

Aloha,

I was just wondering what the going price for a nice driver would be. I like the Duettos, but also like the early 70's Spiders. Would want to be able to avoid any emissions regulations wherever I end up later on down the road (none in Hawaii as of yet).

If anyone could point me in the right direction, it'd be much appreciated.

mahalos,
Joel

[69Spider]

The prices vary wildly...

My two spiders are at the begining and tail end of the production of the Pininfarina spiders, a 1750 Spider Veloce and a 91 Spider Veloce. They are in my opinion the two best examples of what Pininfarina was capable of when not constrained by budget.

The 1600 Duettos can be had for around 10-15 for a good driver, the 1750 roundtails (69 and some 1970) are a bit more and in my opinion more desirable as the car benefits from the addedpower provided by the 1750 motor. If the FI is intact on a 1750 the price can be a little higher.

I also like the 70/1 Kamm tails. They can be had for a bit less $$$$, like 5-7 in good shape.

The early Pininfarina spiders (Duetto & 1750) are getting more and more expensive every month. People have finally begun to realise that they are a very fun car, very restorable and the instance of properly restored examples is very, very few and far between. I have yet to see a full Concours quality restoration on a 1750.

When they do start showing up (and I mean proper 95-98 point cars) then we could easiy see prices in the 50's. Until then the best examples will likely fetch in the high 20's.

There are a lot of Duettos/1750's out there that are floating around, claiming to be all original, etc. and the simple fact of the matter is that in almost every case they simply aren't even close. Every one I've seen on the Alfa Classifieds or on E-bay has been wrong in one way or another and in some cases VERY wrong.

This is why proper restorations will begin to command increased prices very soon as more and more people finally start restoring them properly.

If all you want is a good driver then you can get a great mid-70's variant for 6-9 in great condition. If you're looking for a round-tail then do yourself a favor and spend the money up front and get a good one. $20k would seem reasonable at this point.

Every round tail I have seen for less than this was wrong in so many ways it really made you wonder what knucklehead did the work on it and what else they botched up in the process. Take a magnet with you when you inspect the car and go over EVERY inch of the body with it. There can be a lot of bondo in cars these days and unless you really know what you're looking for you'll never find it in a casual once over. If the car is largely original and seems to have the FI and proper wheels, all the little bits are correct and the floor and rockers are intact then 15-6 would be a good ballpark. I have seen 12-3k but there were still issues with those cars so if you buy one for this you can expect another 3-4 on the back end when you get it home.

If you think about restoring one I will note for you that we have over 30k in our restoration and we're still going. It can get out of hand quickly and the skilled labour to do it right is not cheap. Lead work for the panels is very expensive and so are the new panels when they need replacing and there are very few people who can do the job right. Parts are becoming easier to find with people like Matt at Re-Originals working on our behalf, but there are some expensive bits out there that are still hard to come by.

If you're not interested in a collector and want a great daily driver that's still managable in terms of keeping it stock and beautiful I would look at the early 70's Kamm tails. They are great cars.. by the late 80's so much had been added they were starting to get too heavy and the Bosch FI was a step backwards in my opinion. Any of the early SPICA cars will be amazing and the worst case is that Wes Ingram will have to liberate $800 from your wallet to rebuild the FI pump.

Good luck.

Enjoy and welcome to the Alfa family!

J

[JSimmons]

Hi J,

Thanks for that great post! I suppose I am more interested in the Kamm tail Spiders you spoke about. I'd love to have a daily driver, but I'm also the kind of guy that likes to hot rod whatever he's driving...at least just a little bit. Not hot rod in the sense of fuzzy dice and skinny tires up front, but just go-fast goodies.

So, a 70/71 Kamm tail can be had for around $5 - 7K? That sounds great! Exactly the price range I was hoping for.

By the way, you mentioned the "Alfa Classifieds." Is that the one on this website, or is there another place I should be looking at to get an idea of what's out there and for how much?

Mahalos again,
Joel

[69Spider]

Right here in the Classified section. E-bay scares me. I bought my 91 on the Alfa Classifieds.

Have the car checked.

Also check with the local Alfa club.

Yeah.. you don't want to be hot rodding a duetto. You'll wanna kill yourself once the original ones start selling for gold bricks.

J

[GianniB]

Sportscar Market magazine publishes a price guide for Italian cars on a quarterly basis. Sportscar Market started as the Alfa Romeo Market Letter in the early 90's, so I'd put more into their prices than some of the other guides. The last guide was published in March. Here are their market values which are supposed to set by sales activity in the US and are for cars in #2 condition - significantly above daily driver and one step below regional concours:

'66 - '67 Duetto $10K - $16K
'69 1750 Spider $9.5K - $12.5K
'70 - '74 1750/2000 Spider $5K - $8K
'75 - '81 2000 Spider $5K - $7.5K
'82 - '84 2000 Spider $3K - $5K
'85 - '86 2000 Spider $4K - $6K
'87 - '90 2000 Spider $4.5K - $7.5K
'91 - '92 2000 Spider $8K - $10K
'93 2000 Spider (CE) $9.5K - $12K

Cheers,

[Roadtrip]

Joel - You're in such a small market in Oahu that I don't think mainland prices are going to mean much . . . . unless you plan on shipping a car.

[JSimmons]

Alohas,

J - well, I don't mean hot-rodding in the sense of making it all wild and crazy. I guess I should have said, making it as close to a racecar as possible but still being road legal. Also, I'm not into cars as an investment. I know that they can be an investment, but its not something I'm planning for. If I buy a classic and it turns out that 20 years down the road I can sell it and pay for my kids college tuition...well then I might think about it. But, I'm mostly into classic cars because I love the look, sound, smell and driving experience they give a person. Most modern day cars are so numb in comparison, what with all the computerized systems driving the car for you. Sorry for the rant.

I agree with you that eBay is a nightmare. I'll stick to looking on here and in the local newspapers.

John - thanks for that breakdown of prices. Definitely helpful.

John S. - you're right about the market down here. However, it tends to work out in my favor. Well, at least in the arena of British sports cars, I know that the prices are generally depressed down here. There's just not the interest in these sorts of cars in Hawaii. Probably because half of them have rusted away into the pineapple fields. I'm not sure if prices for Italian sports cars (older ones like early Spiders) are behaving the same way.

alohas,
Joel

[JSimmons]

PS - John, you wouldn't happen to have the prices for 1750 and 2000 GTV's would you?

~Joel

[Cali67Duetto]

worth more then the 1969-70 Round Tails. Not trying to give "69Spider" a hard time but I believe the "Duetto" is the more collectable between the two. I was looking to buy a 1969 (the year of my birth) and stumbled into a 1967 for $4,500.00. My car is registered as a 1967, but built in 1966, what does that mean?

As of today, I am about $6,500.00 into rust removal, panel and floor pan replacement and down to metal inside and out re-paint. Haven't touched the engine or interior..... yet. I would post pics but have been unable to figure how get pics attached

I will not spend 30K restoring it, but will be in the 15K range.

[84GTV6]

You can always buy an unloved early to mid 80's spider with some rust and other "issues" for less than $1800 and just drive it!! That's what I did and while it may not be politically correct to drive an ugly, unrestored, unoriginal Alfa it sure is fun!!!

I usually have the least desirable car at most Alfa events but that's okay with me, I can't afford what I really want so I drive what I can......plus I don't have to worry too much when a possum runs out in the road seein' as my front spoiler is pretty sad to begin with.

What? No possums in Hawaii? What do y'all eat than?


Just kidding..........we Kentucky folk are highly sofistikated, aint we!?


DISCLAIMER: I speak for myself. The rest of the fine Commonwealth of Kentucky people on this board have very nice cars!

[GianniB]

Joel -

The SCM prices for Bertone GT's were posted in this thread, 3 postings down:

Beter to restore 71-74 2000 or 1750????

Cheers,

[Dan Walker]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cali67Duetto worth more then the 1969-70 Round Tails. Not trying to give "69Spider" a hard time but I believe the "Duetto" is the more collectable between the two. I was looking to buy a 1969 (the year of my birth) and stumbled into a 1967 for $4,500.00. My car is registered as a 1967, but built in 1966, what does that mean? As of today, I am about $6,500.00 into rust removal, panel and floor pan replacement and down to metal inside and out re-paint. Haven't touched the engine or interior..... yet. I would post pics but have been unable to figure how get pics attached I will not spend 30K restoring it, but will be in the 15K range.

[JSimmons]

Aloha,

Nope, no opposums down here. We just have mongoose (mongeese? mongi?) running around all over the place. Quick little SOB's though. Oh yeah, and wild boars if you get up into the hills, but they usually stay off the well-used roads. Actually, I think an Alfa might lose the fight with one of those.

John, thanks for the link.

~Joel

[69Spider]

Actually the 66-8 duettos have been going for significantly less than the 69's for a couple years.

I don't know where Sports Car Market gets their data but it's contrary to all the major Brit publications which all value the 69 1750 higher than the other years of the boat tail. Especially the US spec ones.

Remember that far fewer of the 1750 spiders were built (less than 2600 in 69 if memory serves and 848 in '70 in US trim). US market cars were also different from euro spec cars for the first time making them even more desirable as the number of survivors is far more scarce. That few of the 69's remain intact with the SPICA further increases their value.

The 66-8 was underpowered and the Euro version of the 1750 spider was a definite improvement. Brief conversations with two specialists today echo this sentiment and both noted the 1750 was worth significantly more.

They also noted the the difference between a #2 car and a 90 point concours restoration can be many thousands of dollars of value. If a 95-100 point car came up on the market who knows... that's totally uncharted territory.

J

[papajam]

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Originally Posted by 69Spider ...the difference between a #2 car and a 90 point concours restoration can be many thousands of dollars of value. If a 95-100 point car came up on the market who knows... that's totally uncharted territory. J