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View Poll Results: Which is better?
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The Stock Ignition.
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MSD 7AL-2, even with its price...
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Jacobs Pro-Street Kit, just 15mj shy of the MSD, but is digital!
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10-05-2007, 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by John M
You are right about that! You come by today....I'll put you to work. Maybe not on the garage though. Got the double axle loaded up with storage shed crap that needs to be sorted and emptied. Not looking forward to that either! 
Best Regards,
John M |
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 1990 Alfa Camaro Spider Super Sport Special American/Italian Edition. Pizza Burner with Pizzaz!
1974 Chevrolet Camaro
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10-05-2007, 10:23 AM
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Alfa Poor in KY
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Originally Posted by ddouglas77
I think I puked a little in my mouth-you're sick John!
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Enter Murray in his uber dooper Spider at the time trial. While he and all the other characters are running 30 laps or so for practice....poor ole me was at the hospital getting my leg stitched up where I gashed it open on the trailer. So ole Murray, Bud, Enrique, everyone all practicing. Me sitting at the hospital.
I get back in the afternoon. Some discussion as to I would even be allowed to run the timed 3 laps as I had no practice. George and Bud make it happen. I get to run. George and Mark over helping...heck like a formula one pit crew changing out my wheels/tires. Big thanks to them both. Bud running around making sure I had everything to spank the ole Murster. They save me and my boy Murray for the last group to run. Murray in front of me.
Background....Bud calls me baby seal meat....basically saying he is going to club my head driving wise. Phrase coming as hunters kill baby seals for their skins by walking up to them and clubbing them in the head. They are defenseless. So being Bud's friend I decided to share that pleasure with my friend Murray. So picture us sitting there in the grid waiting to pull on the track. Murray all nervous. And I start saying...I am going to have me some baby seal meat. I am clapping over my head trying to get his attention. I send a fellow walking by my car up to Murrays to tell him I was having Baby Seal Meat with cocktail sauce for dinner. Now Murray knows...I am coming for him. I am going to catch him no matter what the costs. I had told Bud I didn't care if the brand new motor blew sky high as long as I catch Murray!!!!!
So off we go and I lay down on my first lap a lap faster than Bud, faster than Enrique, faster than Ines, and faster than Murray. It was just Murray and I out there battling it out on the last group. Liberache White vs. Darth Vader Black. And they started us seperated by 30-40 seconds. I was catching Murray by about 9 seconds per lap. But alas...once I saw him reeling in quickly the red mist took over and I really started pushing the car and over driving it. I could taste that Baby Seal Meat and all the ribbing I'd be able to give Murray later that day if....if...I could just pull right up on his rear bumper. Alas, I spun my second lap.....did a 360, refired and kept going...still catching him. And I did it again on the third. Tire pressures had came up and that was it. I started them out too high. So on my first lap of three I got that day....I beat them all. I guess in a way I got some baby seal meat anyway!!!!!!!
Ding Dong....picture is self explanatory...Doesn't though look like a ding dong wrapper?
And Pauley is Murray's brother-in-law who came to the convention with ole Murray. He was big fun and looks Italian. But we picked on him, talked smack to him just like we did Murray. This ultimately lead to us threatening to grind him up KY style
Ah...should have been there. It was big fun. When I came by your house that day to lend an ear...I was also picking up my roll bar hoop from a place in cincy while making calls for work. That hoop turned into a roll bar in one day!
Best Regards,
John M
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1978 AR Spider Veloce 2000.....the first and still here
1984 AR Spider Veloce............the second & gone to the parts bin
1992 AR Spider Veloce............the third and still here
1991 AR 164L........................traded on the SS
1965 AR Sprint Speciale..........in boxes.
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10-05-2007, 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by John M
Seriously......
That looks good Murray. Hopefully that will keep it going. Wonder why not in the cabin? Or up in the fender...or down in the nose somewhere....just out of the engine bay?
Best Regards,
John M
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Originally Posted by John M
Maybe Murray is using one. He'll have to chime in about his Autronic setup. That is supposed to be one of the major challenges with this 2L as its so noisy.
Best Regards,
John M
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Nope the Autronic SM2 does not have knock sensor capibilities but I don't think it would work anyway with our engines.
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Originally Posted by John M
So picture us sitting there in the grid waiting to pull on the track. Murray all nervous. And I start saying...I am going to have me some baby seal meat. I am clapping over my head trying to get his attention. I send a fellow walking by my car up to Murrays to tell him I was having Baby Seal Meat with cocktail sauce for dinner. Now Murray knows...I am coming for him. I am going to catch him no matter what the costs. I had told Bud I didn't care if the brand new motor blew sky high as long as I catch Murray!!!!!
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As you can see there are some unresolved issues with our friend JohnM, he was adopted you know and being a red headed step child growing up at the Kentucky Bio Hazard Land Fill and Trailer Park has caused him some visions of grandsire.
BTW: He never even got close to me on the track.
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10-05-2007, 01:49 PM
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could we stop all the blubbering about seal meat and get back to the autotronic system, , 1 how many drivers both "nord" and ts use this system? and 2. how many drivers have the coils in the passenger compartment? ok, now back to baby seal blundering, er, blubbering
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10-05-2007, 02:15 PM
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Alfa Poor in KY
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Originally Posted by msiert
I was lazy and didn't want to extend the wiring, everything was right there from the old MSD box.
Nope the Autronic SM2 does not have knock sensor capibilities but I don't think it would work anyway with our engines.
As you can see there are some unresolved issues with our friend JohnM, he was adopted you know and being a red headed step child growing up at the Kentucky Bio Hazard Land Fill and Trailer Park has caused him some visions of grandsire.
BTW: He never even got close to me on the track. |
Best Regards,
John M
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1978 AR Spider Veloce 2000.....the first and still here
1984 AR Spider Veloce............the second & gone to the parts bin
1992 AR Spider Veloce............the third and still here
1991 AR 164L........................traded on the SS
1965 AR Sprint Speciale..........in boxes.
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10-05-2007, 02:29 PM
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Alfa Poor in KY
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Originally Posted by alfa of-corse
could we stop all the blubbering about seal meat and get back to the autotronic system, , 1 how many drivers both "nord" and ts use this system? and 2. how many drivers have the coils in the passenger compartment? ok, now back to baby seal blundering, er, blubbering
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I should also point out I had one of Randy's motronic piston and liner sets as well as other parts in my freshly rebuilt motor that spanked all of these characters! Thanks Randy!
I think there are quite a few using stand alone ECUs like the autronic. It falls into the category like an electromotive, haltech, motec, gotech, megasquirt spark/squirt boxes. I have an autronic that originally belonged to Kelly McCrystal and he used it on a TS. I am going to guess that there are few that use the autronic as it doesn't seem to be as accessible as some of the others. Murray would have to fill you in on the specifics, as mine still sitting in a box. The Jacobs, MSD, Crane units are just CD spark boxes and for cars like David's will require the ECU to remain.
Never had a coil in the passenger compartment and won't with my autronic. The autronic ECU though will be in the passenger compartment. Now the add on CD box from autronic that Murray is adding and the other piggy back CD units from Jacobs, MSD, Mallory, Crane, etc. all seem to be more sensitive to heat. So it makes sense to get them out from under the hood or provide cooling. In cabin installs have reported a ticking sound heard in the passenger compartment with some models. So appearantly they are noisy. So maybe behind headlight or up in the nose might be better for install.
Best Regards,
John M
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1978 AR Spider Veloce 2000.....the first and still here
1984 AR Spider Veloce............the second & gone to the parts bin
1992 AR Spider Veloce............the third and still here
1991 AR 164L........................traded on the SS
1965 AR Sprint Speciale..........in boxes.
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10-05-2007, 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by alfa of-corse
could we stop all the blubbering about seal meat and get back to the autotronic system, , 1 how many drivers both "nord" and ts use this system? and 2. how many drivers have the coils in the passenger compartment? ok, now back to baby seal blundering, er, blubbering
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Randy,
I found out about the Autronic system on the GTV6 Forum, They (the GTV6 folks) are way ahead of us 2 liter folks in switching to programmable aftermarket ECU's. The problem about researching different programmable aftermarket ecu's is there is always those who feel theirs are better and most threads end up in name calling. The GTV6 Forum finially deducated a section just for the mega squirt folk's to stop the fighting.
I haven't heard of anyone else that has done an Autronic ECU in a 2 liter Alfa.
Here's the spec's of the Autronic SM2:
http://www.autronic.com/page_files/sm2_kit.htm
As far as the electronic ignitions I sure hope that mine will last more than 5 years. If that is the case with high end ignitions then I would not recommend in getting one. The MSD 4 Dis ignition was $460 when I bought it in the fall of 2005 and if I wanted to buy one now it's $560. The Autronic 500R CID was $840.
http://www.autronic.com/page_files/direct_fire_cdi.htm
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10-05-2007, 06:20 PM
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Alfa Poor in KY
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Hijack Alert...........Sorry David
Randy,
I found out about the Autronic system on the GTV6 Forum, They (the GTV6 folks) are way ahead of us 2 liter folks in switching to programmable aftermarket ECU's. The problem about researching different programmable aftermarket ecu's is there is always those who feel theirs are better and most threads end up in name calling. The GTV6 Forum finially deducated a section just for the mega squirt folk's to stop the fighting.
I haven't heard of anyone else that has done an Autronic ECU in a 2 liter Alfa.
Here's the spec's of the Autronic SM2:
http://www.autronic.com/page_files/sm2_kit.htm
As far as the electronic ignitions I sure hope that mine will last more than 5 years. If that is the case with high end ignitions then I would not recommend in getting one. The MSD 4 Dis ignition was $460 when I bought it in the fall of 2005 and if I wanted to buy one now it's $560. The Autronic 500R CID was $840.
http://www.autronic.com/page_files/direct_fire_cdi.htm |
Best Regards,
John M
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1978 AR Spider Veloce 2000.....the first and still here
1984 AR Spider Veloce............the second & gone to the parts bin
1992 AR Spider Veloce............the third and still here
1991 AR 164L........................traded on the SS
1965 AR Sprint Speciale..........in boxes.
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10-05-2007, 07:06 PM
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You guys are gonna keep messing with the Mur-ster and eventually you're gonna pay for it.
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10-05-2007, 07:22 PM
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FWIW, I've been running the same MSD 6AL for about 5 years. The first two it was in my street car being triggered by the stock points distributor. The last 3 have been in my race car and triggered by a MarelliPlex magnetic-sensor distributor. It has been perfectly reliable, and I really like the way the rev limiter comes in.
As for horsepower, an electronic ignition will give you a NEGLIGIBLE increase in power (and torque David!). But it will generally give you easier starting, greater reliability and less maintenance than points.
David, perhaps the Alfa is different than other cars you've worked on. Modified Alfa motors can be VERY sensitive to ignition timing changes. I've seen 2 degree changes in timing yield 5 horsepower or more. And every engine is different. You really have to spend some time on the dyno to get it optimized.
Erik
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10-05-2007, 08:30 PM
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Hijack Alert...........Sorry David
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