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View Poll Results: Which is better?
The Stock Ignition. 6 40.00%
MSD 7AL-2, even with its price... 3 20.00%
Jacobs Pro-Street Kit, just 15mj shy of the MSD, but is digital! 6 40.00%
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Old 10-04-2007, 08:17 PM
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You are welcome ... Just be careful with the "baby seal hunter" - he thinks that Luke Skywalker is on this Board, and that he is Obi One...

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ROTFLMAO!!!! I'm not worried about the "Baby Seal", nor should anyone else. If nothing else, he presses the issues at hand for more info and that shouldn't be overlooked.
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Old 10-05-2007, 05:34 AM
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JohnM is the intelligent one, I'm just blazing fast.
Good Lord have mercy....I hope John doesn't read this thread.

Conedriver runs a Jacobs ignition, my 86 has one mounted on the fender....just aint hooked up. It came that way, the P.O. put lots of real nice stuff into this car and he seemed to know what he was doing. I'm just waiting for Conedriver to drive down to my house and open the garage and hook up my ignition system, hopefully he will put the tools away when he's done...he can grab a beer or two if he wants.....when he's done of course.


Dang it guys....y'all know RED spiders are the fastest........

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Old 10-05-2007, 07:02 AM
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Ah.......you guys are so Sweet.

See...they are all programmed to fail. Murray lost that high end MSD 4edis...I lost a crane Hi6....Enrique lost the Jacobs. Nascar has always ran two ignition boxes, two batteries, and too left. Now if they had a Jacobs in there...there would be two as well.

I think the higher end you guys go you had better be worried about heat and placement........either that or you'll be worried about replacement! Murray I hope that autronic holds up....for my own selfish reasons!

Be careful David of Enrique. He thinks that he is Darth Vader and even told Murray the other day the he was Murray's father...calling Murray Luke. Something about the darkside and to use his anger over being hunted as baby seal meat to strengthen his use of the force. And I don't think its a coincidence that Enrique has his car painted up to represent the Thialand Racing Team. Enrique has been referring to his car lately as the "Thai Fighter". Scary I know!

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Be careful David of Enrique. He thinks that he is Darth Vader and even told Murray the other day the he was Murray's father...calling Murray Luke. Something about the darkside and to use his anger over being hunted as baby seal meat to strengthen his use of the force. And I don't think its a coincidence that Enrique has his car painted up to represent the Thialand Racing Team. Enrique has been referring to his car lately as the "Thai Fighter". Scary I know!

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ROTFLMAO!!! I didn't know I was being recruited to the dark side, but you know, we do have the black spiders.... We must be in a cult!
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Good Lord have mercy....I hope John doesn't read this thread.

Conedriver runs a Jacobs ignition, my 86 has one mounted on the fender....just aint hooked up. It came that way, the P.O. put lots of real nice stuff into this car and he seemed to know what he was doing. I'm just waiting for Conedriver to drive down to my house and open the garage and hook up my ignition system, hopefully he will put the tools away when he's done...he can grab a beer or two if he wants.....when he's done of course.


Dang it guys....y'all know RED spiders are the fastest........

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Could post a pic of your Jacobs? Why does conedriver have to go to your place, why not drive it out to his or John M's and have them hook it up? John has a very nice garage!!
I thought in another thread we realized that the red ones were only faster if the driver was Italian....
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Ah.......you guys are so Sweet.

I think the higher end you guys go you had better be worried about heat and placement........either that or you'll be worried about replacement! Murray I hope that autronic holds up....for my own selfish reasons!
I could never find MSD's control box's operating temperture range but the Autronic's 500R CID is stated at -25 C to 85 C and I know that my engine bay on the exhaust maifold side at the fender can grt to 180 F on a 80 F degree day, on the day's in the mid 90's it climbs over 200.

I think in Detroit what saved the MSD box was I was getting a flow of air in the engine compartment while I was on the track (High speeds) but when I was back home driving on the street it just got too hot and fried.

I built a cool tunnel with the help of Tifso and Green Dragon's input that has a ram air intake and a secondary inlet that has a fan to pump in outside air in when the car is at a stand still.

So far it has shown a 60 F to 70 F difference (lower temp) inside the cool tunnel then outside on the hwy use and 50 F to 60 F difference in city driving.

This should keep me in the operating temperture range of the ignition control box.

As a side note I think the direct fire igniton box's run hotter than the waste spark box's?
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Could post a pic of your Jacobs? Why does conedriver have to go to your place, why not drive it out to his or John M's and have them hook it up? John has a very nice garage!!
I thought in another thread we realized that the red ones were only faster if the driver was Italian....

OH....Mark is more than capable. He just is being a little lazy like we all get. I still have a full poly set, new springs for both, a new set of konis, 6 tie rod ends and ball joints, a couple of valve cover gaskets, new adjustable control arms, a chassis stiffener, etc. still yet to apply to my two Spiders. Not to mention cutting out the hole better for the rear bolts of the roll bar. Ah the list goes on and on. Mark should just come up here and do my stuff for me and I'll install his Jacobs.

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I could never find MSD's control box's operating temperture range but the Autronic's 500R CID is stated at -25 C to 85 C and I know that my engine bay on the exhaust maifold side at the fender can grt to 180 F on a 80 F degree day, on the day's in the mid 90's it climbs over 200.

I think in Detroit what saved the MSD box was I was getting a flow of air in the engine compartment while I was on the track (High speeds) but when I was back home driving on the street it just got too hot and fried.

I built a cool tunnel with the help of Tifso and Green Dragon's input that has a ram air intake and a secondary inlet that has a fan to pump in outside air in when the car is at a stand still.

So far it has shown a 60 F to 70 F difference (lower temp) inside the cool tunnel then outside on the hwy use and 50 F to 60 F difference in city driving.

This should keep me in the operating temperture range of the ignition control box.

As a side note I think the direct fire igniton box's run hotter than the waste spark?
Holy hell!!! I'm blind, did you have to take pics of all those shiny things!!!!! Too much shine, I believe you burnt my eyes out-good thing home row on the keyboard is marked!
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OH....Mark is more than capable. He just is being a little lazy like we all get. I still have a full poly set, new springs for both, a new set of konis, 6 tie rod ends and ball joints, a couple of valve cover gaskets, new adjustable control arms, a chassis stiffener, etc. still yet to apply to my two Spiders. Not to mention cutting out the hole better for the rear bolts of the roll bar. Ah the list goes on and on. Mark should just come up here and do my stuff for me and I'll install his Jacobs.

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Hell, he could drive it to me and drink my beer while I install it, not very hard to do and the benefits so out weigh the time to do it!!! You have too much car work, that is proably why he'll never show up at your garage, I was lucky enough to be on a timed schedule, otherwise you'd have tricked me with all of that Mt. Dew you had...lol
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knock sensor?

Has anyone tried to add a knock sensor with the ability for the system to retard the ignition upon sensing the knock so as to allow for more advanced ignition timing?
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I could never find MSD's control box's operating temperture range but the Autronic's 500R CID is stated at -25 C to 85 C and I know that my engine bay on the exhaust maifold side at the fender can grt to 180 F on a 80 F degree day, on the day's in the mid 90's it climbs over 200.

I think in Detroit what saved the MSD box was I was getting a flow of air in the engine compartment while I was on the track (High speeds) but when I was back home driving on the street it just got too hot and fried.

I built a cool tunnel with the help of Tifso and Green Dragon's input that has a ram air intake and a secondary inlet that has a fan to pump in outside air in when the car is at a stand still.

So far it has shown a 60 F to 70 F difference (lower temp) inside the cool tunnel then outside on the hwy use and 50 F to 60 F difference in city driving.
Seriously......
That looks good Murray. Hopefully that will keep it going. Wonder why not in the cabin? Or up in the fender...or down in the nose somewhere....just out of the engine bay? See you have that box right where my turbo and cold air return runs. But yet I diverge from the original topic even more......

The not so seriously......
The foil reminds me of a Hostess "ding dong" wrapper. SO......I suppose the menu for the next race will be Baby Seal Meat violently cooked over heavy header flame from a 78 Spider, "Dark" meat only of course if Enrique has his way, and with cocktail sauce. And to finish off, a Ding Dong cup cake in foil wrapper for dessert. Be sure to tell Pauley we are looking forward (we=Budsy and I) to grinding him up and making EYETALEYOUNG sausage out of him too.

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