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Oh, John... I'm very sorry to hear about the problem, but I've got to say - your post is hilarious. I'm sitting with the portable, and I can barley hold it 'cause I'm LMAO!!
I'm planning on being in OH on the 22nd, and Gary Kestin and I have been talking about driving down to see first hand this now classic duel. I hope things work out and you are able to get your Spider back together in time for the next autocross.
My best to you,
Enrique
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04-08-2007, 09:01 PM
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Sorry to hear that John. 
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04-08-2007, 09:27 PM
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Okay, I'll bite. How would a piece of a broken valve spring make it to the sump to end up on the magnetic drain plug? Wouldn't it be "captured" by the cam follower? Whatever it is, I hope it isn't serious. Your battles remind me of the trash talking my Brother, my Dad and I used to do when we autocrossed years ago. Once a year, we would all share the same car for an event and see who won. My nephew even made a travelling trophy for us!
Erik
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Enjoy!
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04-08-2007, 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by genericwood
Okay, I'll bite. How would a piece of a broken valve spring make it to the sump to end up on the magnetic drain plug? Wouldn't it be "captured" by the cam follower? Whatever it is, I hope it isn't serious. Your battles remind me of the trash talking my Brother, my Dad and I used to do when we autocrossed years ago. Once a year, we would all share the same car for an event and see who won. My nephew even made a travelling trophy for us!
Erik
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Thanks for the condolences guys. That is the $1,000,000 question Erik. I'll know more tomorrow. Looks like about 1/2 inch of outer spring wire from the middle of the spring. Not flat on the end like a base. Spring coil seems to extrapolate out to be about the same diameter as a quarter. Valve cover will be off tomorrow. Compression test showed no loss so I am hopeful. Maybe 1/8" round wire. Can't think of anything else it would be. Oil pump working correctly.
Wondering if a relieved bucket for 11mm cams could have let it out. If so...I may find a tattered follower. Other less desirable option would be a piston pin retaining c clip. But I think this puppy is too thick for that.
Best Regards,
John M
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1978 AR Spider Veloce 2000.....the first and still here
1984 AR Spider Veloce............the second & gone to the parts bin
1992 AR Spider Veloce............the third and still here
1991 AR 164L........................traded on the SS
1965 AR Sprint Speciale..........in boxes.
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04-09-2007, 09:20 AM
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John, how about a timing chain tensioner spring? If it broke, it could easily make its' way to the sump. And of course the engine would run fine.
Erik
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04-09-2007, 11:32 AM
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John's Broken Spring Reveals John's Broken Honor!
In an attempt to help my good friend and competition, John M+, of "Beat Budsy Racing", sympathic to his crying, I offered to let John use my "off the shelf" John Shankle Short Ported Head. A treasure I have preserved and maintained in my parts cache for years. Just last night while consulting with me on methods of repair of his "Broken Car", John-Boy brags to me how this damaged head has had soooo much work done to with big valves, IAP springs, a complete port and polish only rivaled by the gleam of his wheels; not realizing he was giving up the real truth! Sorry for your luck ole Johhy Boy. Here I am playing the Solo game with John-Boy, only to learn he is using modified parts to gain his advantage. How shocked I was! I'm only using stock pistons from a L-jet. Never touched the manifold or induction
and exhaust ports, standard Alfa valves! I feel so cheated after that .05 second lost to John-Boy last week. If this is the way we are going to play the game, I sould bring out the big guns anD start applying by 30 years of superior experience. Old John-Boy would be crying then. I've got Sperry ported, big valve heads and wild cams sitting on the shelf that John has never seen the likes. I though the playing field was level. But Noooooooo! John-Boy has it skewed way to his advantage. OK Johnny-Boy! Gonna have to find a new name for you. 
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04-09-2007, 02:34 PM
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Quote:
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...John-Boy brags to me how this damaged head has had soooo much work done to with big valves, IAP springs, a complete port and polish only rivaled by the gleam of his wheels; not realizing he was giving up the real truth! ....
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I think this revelation merits a focused interview by a seasoned international correspondent, capable of investigating serious allegations, as this apparent breach by the Beat Budsy Racing division would not sit well with the legendary Scuderia Alfa... (Not sure about the Scuderia Ferrari though... they don't seem to have been following the events very closely... )
Best regards,
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04-09-2007, 04:03 PM
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C'mon, John. Get that puppy opened up, and post your findings. There's only 12 days until the next autocross... I just finished the course map and I promise an equal number of left and right turns. I'll post it here if there's any interest.
And... if the broken spring is from the cam chain tensioner, I have a spare.
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Thanks for the condolences guys...I'll know more tomorrow...
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04-09-2007, 05:05 PM
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Conspiiracy Theory
George, Zunige, John, all you guys are in a conspiracy against me. John came over this afternoon - a crying - his darling gay white spider broken, carrying the remnants of a inner valve spring, asking how it got out and into the sump. I dropped the piece down into a bear cyl. head valve follower bore on the work bench and tilted it up for him to see the part drop out of the head oil galleries. See John, it only takes about .05 seconds. Thats how much you beat me by. Probably happened on that same run. John, you need to purchase my John Shankle head and get legal again.
Remember guys, John M + beat me the first Solo last year ( I let him ). Then he won no more. I never imagined John would go to the extreme of overreving his car to beat me!  I feel so proud.
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04-09-2007, 05:30 PM
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Oh my.....the tall tales!
It depends on what the definition of oversized is. I can neither confirm nor deny any of Budsy's allegations about the current build setup due to a strict confidentiality clause with my racing team, Beat Budsy Racing, a division of Scuderia Alfa Romeo and Scuderia Ferrari.
Budsy was of some assistance, apart from his gloating today. We identified the object as a piece of the inner, smaller valve spring. And Budsy successfully demonstrated how the piece would easily land in the bucket's oil drain and find its way to the sump.
Thank you George for the offer of the tensioner spring. I have a spare. Now what I really will need is a valve spring compressor. Perhaps Budsy will be helpful in this regards! Tonight I will pull the followers and see which is the offending valve. I predict that after the new spring goes in..the car will be even faster!!!!!!! Oh....and she'll be up in time for the autocross.
Best Regards,
John M
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1978 AR Spider Veloce 2000.....the first and still here
1984 AR Spider Veloce............the second & gone to the parts bin
1992 AR Spider Veloce............the third and still here
1991 AR 164L........................traded on the SS
1965 AR Sprint Speciale..........in boxes.
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04-09-2007, 05:32 PM
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Hey Bud,
WOW, I can't believe that you were runing a bone stock engine and John had a fully prep race engine. I must say I am impressed that you are so close to John's times.
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04-09-2007, 05:36 PM
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C'mon, Bud. You can't play the "conspiracy theory" card. In your heart, you know that competition makes you a better driver. Just think, there are only 4 months until the AROC National Convention in Michigan. There are other competitors out there, and you need all of the hard local competition to fine tune your driving skills and car tuning to prepare for the great time we will have. Why, to make sure you have good competition, I would even let John drive my car, except my seat is too narrow (no offense, John).
Oh, and it's "bare" not "bear". Jeez... does it take an Engineer to help an Architect with spelling? (that ought to be good for a few comments...)
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Originally Posted by Little Italian
George, Zunige, John, all you guys are in a conspiracy against me. John came over this afternoon - a crying - his darling gay white spider broken, carrying the remnants of a inner valve spring, asking how it got out and into the sump. I dropped the piece down into a bear cyl. head valve follower bore on the work bench and tilted it up for him to see the part drop out of the head oil galleries. See John, it only takes about .05 seconds. Thats how much you beat me by. Probably happened on that same run. John, you need to purchase my John Shankle head and get legal again.
Remember guys, John M + beat me the first Solo last year ( I let him ). Then he won no more. I never imagined John would go to the extreme of overreving his car to beat me!  I feel so proud.
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04-09-2007, 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by msiert
Hey Bud,
WOW, I can't believe that you were runing a bone stock engine and John had a fully prep race engine and suspension, you guy's ran so close must say alot about your driving skills.
I must say I am impressed that you are so close to John's times.
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Budsy is not stock!
Best Regards,
John M
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1978 AR Spider Veloce 2000.....the first and still here
1984 AR Spider Veloce............the second & gone to the parts bin
1992 AR Spider Veloce............the third and still here
1991 AR 164L........................traded on the SS
1965 AR Sprint Speciale..........in boxes.
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