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Wiring is Done
Got it all wired up this morning and all that's left to do is change a couple of settings in the Autronic and I'm ready to see how it works.
I found a cig lighter to battery clamp adaptor at Westlake hardware so that made that part easy. The plan is to just hook the LM-1 up to the battery when I am going to do a logged run all other times the cables will be off.
I took a picture of the wide band sensor harness to show the connector. I plan to pull the sensor when not in use and leave the rest of the harness in place.........I'll have to come up with a cover for the connector though.
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03-19-2009, 04:50 PM
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You are just one wired dude
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03-19-2009, 05:55 PM
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you don't drive that car.  .do you..  .fess up.    .  .she's to clean
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03-19-2009, 06:09 PM
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Are you kidding that thing is filthy. You ought to see when it's all clean up..... 
Black being the fastest color of ALL colors doesn't collect dust or dirt do to it's fastness............... 
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03-19-2009, 06:11 PM
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a question..... do you have any urves in Nebraska?..or is it all the streight lines 
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In eastern Nebraska (Omaha and Council Bluff's) there is a lot of hills and it dependings where you are to what kind of roads you have. There are foot hills that have alot of curves and elevation changes and then there are hundreds of miles of flat flat land west of Omaha to Colorado.
Most of my driving is in the foot hills and down by the river. It takes me about 10 to 15 mins from my house to get to the river roads.
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03-19-2009, 06:33 PM
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just wondering   like to see that you are keeping your driving skills up   ...who knows.. we just might meet up................someday..( low eveal laugh)
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03-21-2009, 07:02 PM
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Got more stuff
After I got the LM-1 installed in the trunk I thought how was I am going to monitor the A/F other then on a laptop in the car or reviewing it in a logged data file after the fact.
I decided I wanted to monitor the A/F in real time so I bought Innovate's XD-1 digital programmable A/F gauge.
It's a really cool little gauge not only can it display the A/F it can control the record and calibration functions of the LM-1 that I have mounted in the trunk.
Along with being able to remotely run the LM-1 in the trunk it's programmable and can set min, max values, hold those values and program warning alarm functions to those values.
For programming the warning alarm functions you can optimize the XD=1 to flash the indicated value in the LED's at Maxium brightness if the level has been reach. For example: You can program the warning function to trip if the A/F ratio exceeds 13.5 while at greater than 50% throttle position for more than 1 second.
XD-1 : Universal Programmable Digital Gauge / Air Fuel Ratio Guage
There's a video of it in action here.....(XD-101):
Innovate Videos :: Engine Tuning Resources
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03-22-2009, 04:45 PM
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Hmmm, a certain black car continues to get heavier ... LOL
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03-22-2009, 07:35 PM
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Oh, Murray.
Another gadget. Well it is pretty neat.
Just spend some more time on track skills. Nothing beats seat time. Remember it takes 10,000 hours of anything to become a master at it.
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Hmmm, a certain black car continues to get heavier ... LOL
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I figure I could lose a pound or two to make up for it.  
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Great minds think a like I guess...............
Now that I have all the gremilins work out from the Chicago National Convention TT's I can say forsure that the boy racer (JohnM) will be going down the next time we meet. 
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Oh, Murray.
Another gadget. Well it is pretty neat.
Just spend some more time on track skills. Nothing beats seat time. Remember it takes 10,000 hours of anything to become a master at it.
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I was thinking I was going to have skip going to the track this year ..........because of little work. But a job that was put on hold last Nov is now a go.  
So it looks like I can justify a little track time this Summer.
Your Going Down John!!!  
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03-22-2009, 10:36 PM
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Opps
I thought that the new gauge could control the on off functions of the Lm-1 but it can't. Looks like I need to install a relay so the LM-1 Monitor will power up right after the starter engages.
They don't want the hot o2 sensor to get sprayed with condensation or risk being damage from a starter voltage spike on the start up. Unless I want to start the car then run around and turn on the LM-1 adding this relay is the only way.
But I know nothing about relay's.............  Can anyone guide me throught this???
Where do I get a relay, how do I size it and what gage of wire should I use with it are the frist questions that come to mind?????
Here's how they describe it:
1. Connect one terminal of the switch relay and relay coil switch 12V.
2. Connect the other switch to the termanial to the 12V input of the LM-1
3. Connect the other end of the relay coil to the starter solenoid wire.
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OK, lesse if this is of use (don't take this as gospel and DO double check that it's correct):
Part # on drawing is for a 30 amp Bosch relay that can be obtained at any parts counter that sells Bosch stuff for around $11~$12. The specific p# gives a relay that has a mounting tab molded right onto it so you can screw it down.
The inline fuse is also available at most all parts places like Advance Auto. Make sure you use a 20 amp fuse so in the event of an 'event' it pops before the 30 amp relay does.
Likely you'll want 12ga wire for the power source (relay terminal 30) and 14ga for the rest.
The trigger wire can be any number of spots, though I wouldn't use the starter solinoid unless you want power to cut as soon as you release the key/stop cranking the engine.
Instead perhaps the green w/black trace at the ignition pack or any of the key controlled sections of the fuse panel. (trigger wire is a low draw item so there's little chance of things getting too hot)
The power wire can come from any direct full time 12V source such as the battery +, the cable hookup at the starter or the alternator junction block on the right inner fender.
Note that the wiring is set up different AFA what terminal is connected where in your drawing compared to the below item. Make sure you double check that with those in the know as what I've shown is the conventional method, but there are indeed different ways to wire them up to get a desired result and dependant on how you want the service to function. (EG: some folks like to control the ground circut rather than the + circut, so things get connected differently even though you'd be using the same relay)
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as what I've shown is the conventional method, but there are indeed different ways to wire them up to get a desired result and dependant on how you want the service to function. (EG: some folks like to control the ground circut rather than the + circut, so things get connected differently even though you'd be using the same relay)
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WOW............Thank you Darren,
You know after thinking about it I can't think what good a relay would do in delaying the starting the LM-1 (other then a voltage spike and I have a fuse for that).............What I mean is a relay would only delay it by what a millisecond or 2???
Innovate's main two concerns is having condensation blow on a hot o2 sensor and hot gas blow on a cold o2 sensor. A little hard to to prevent both completely.
When I start that black beast up I have condensation blowing out the exhaust 4 to 5 feet and it takes way more then a millisecond for it clear itself out..........it's more like seconds to get it all out.....................................The o2 sensor warm up period is 20 seconds.
I think the lesser of 2 evil's is running the car for a little bit (under a minute) with a cold sensor then starting up the o2 sensor too soon and having condensation hitting it when it's hot?
I think until I get something hooked up to delay the power up of the o2 sensor I will start the Spider and get out to turn the LM-1 on. This way the condensation will be blow out by time the sensor is hot. The cold sensor will spend a little time (30 to 60 seconds) in the hot exhaust gases as it warms up.
Ideally a time delay relay that can be programmed to send power to the sensor 5 to 10 seconds after the starter engages would be perfect.
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